# Do not wear jodphurs to a party filled with frat wannabes... **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 2, 2006, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190 "2006-09-02T10:56:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Septima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Septima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Septima)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2006, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/41 "2006-09-02T20:22:09Z")
Argent, If I where at a party where people had negative reactions to costumes I’d leave too. Did the uniform he was wearing look like a modern one? Could people have assumed it was an actual (as in, used today) uniform? I’m afraid I hvae no idea what a jodphur is. I’ll come too Walkers defence. Walking around among “civilians” in clearly anachronistic or absurd clothing can be a lot of fun. I’ve (among other things) had a beer or at a local pub wearing roman plate armour, shield an all, and never had anything bur positive reactions, either amused, or curious, or both. Then again. maybe the fact that this was clearly a costume made a difference (we were on our way back form assisting a proffessor at a lecture on roman military history, its not something I would do just for the heck of it). However, I don’t really get the insult either. Was Joey annoyed at the guys tone or gestures, or am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2006, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/42 "2006-09-02T21:09:38Z")
[QUOTE=Sunrazor] Comes from the “American Pie” sequel in which the guys throw a big party at their beachfront house, but realize that only guys are attending. The house is filled with horny college boys, but there are only one or two girls, prompting Stiffler to coin the phrase, “sausage fest.” The method used to attract chicks to the party is, in my view, one of the moments that separate the “American Pie” movies from the baser party-sex romps like “Porky’s” and that gawd-awful “Van Wilder.” [/QUOTE] I don’t think that term originated with that movie. It was a pretty common phrase used when I was in college, pre-American Pie days. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2006, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/43 "2006-09-02T21:36:57Z")
[QUOTE=Brandon] > [@Argent Towers](#): > > I have a friend named Walker. He has a very weird passion in life: wearing anachronistic military outfits in places where one would not be expected to do so. > > \ > > I was stunned to see Walker burst through the door in full British East India-style officer garb. Khaki jacket with a leather belt, strap and holster, officer’s cap, jodphur breeches, and knee high leather riding boots. Everyone else in this party was wearing Hollister polo shirts or t-shirts and cargo shorts and had spiked hair. It could not have been a more epic or colossal clash of cultures and values. However, this is the kind of stuff that Walker lives for. He walked right in with a case of Bass Ale and began socializing. This doesn’s strike you as Walker being a tad attention whorish **Sage Rat**? Additionally I see no difference between … > [@Sage Rat](#): > > Dressing all rebelious and going out to picket places that do animal testing or whatever and > [@](#): > > not giving a fuck what people think and dressing in the clothes you want to wear I mean that is the same arguement teenagers use all the time, and you know what it almost always is because they are attention whorish in some way. Maybe they just want attention from other like-minded individuals, or perhaps its because they want others to notice the statement they are trying to make. Either way you can’t say its because they don’t give a fuck what people think because it’s obvious they care what someone thinks. I’m not saying there’s anything one with dressing outside of the status quo, but don’t pretend like your reasons are somehow more noble than someone elses because they just think they “don’t give a fuck” whereas you truly “don’t give a fuck”. Give me a break. [/QUOTE] Maybe he is, like I said. But when Argent writes, “This is the kind of thing he lives for” to be certain that makes it sound like he’s just looking for attention, but there’s no reason to believe Argent isn’t thinking the same thing as you are. People really can dress the way they want to just because, and that that doesn’t have to have anything to do with wanting to have attention drawn to oneself. Believe it or not as you will. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2006, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/44 "2006-09-02T21:45:31Z")
First, I concur that “sausage fest” is something I’ve commonly heard to refer to parties or other gatherings with a surplus of males and a shortage of females. Secondly, going around dressed like something out of a Rudyard Kipling novel IS weird. Not that he doesn’t have a right to do it. each to his own and all that, but he has to know that he’s going to attract attention and shouldn’t be shocked if people ask questions about it. It’s like going around in a Star Trek uniform or something. It’s a Halloween costume. What does he expect? I can’t help but concur that pal “Joey” was out of line in this case and I say that as someone who completely shares the OP’s loathing for frat culture. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2006, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/45 "2006-09-02T22:06:01Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] The guy was being an asshole and trying to provoke a response. [/QUOTE] And apparently, he succeeded. Is that a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/46 "2006-09-02T22:51:23Z")
Reading this story has really allayed my grief over having been rejected by both the frat wannabe crowd and the quirky bohemian hipster crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2006, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/47 "2006-09-02T23:39:16Z")
I bet the ratio of getting laid was about 100:1 in favor of frat boys to guys in jodphurs. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/48 "2006-09-03T00:11:23Z")
As a former frat guy, I think asking someone “why the fuck are you dressed like Dr Livingston?” is perfectly acceptible given that my fraternity experienced attacks by angry Zulus relatively infrequently. While it sounds like friend “Joey” was out of line, I’ve been to enough frat parties in my day that I know the type well. No one is going to come up to you and start a fight directly. They will comment under their breath or pull other passive aggressive crap to goad or otherwise fuck with you and see what they can get away with. And in defense of “fratguys”, you know we practically invented dressing outlandishly and inappropriately at parties? Togas, Hawaiian shirts, the ole fat hairy guy in a dress bit, showing up to cocktails in a blazer and cargo shorts. You think an old Brittish Army uniform is “jarring”? Try walking into a frat party wearing nothing but boxer shorts and an 18" dildo in your pants only to find out that they’re having some kind of parents reception. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/49 "2006-09-03T01:40:00Z")
You guys are missing the really odd part of the story: Walker is a guy who likes dressing up in _military_ uniforms and he attends _Oberlin_! The only way that it could be more odd would be for him to attend Antioch. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/50 "2006-09-03T01:44:39Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] You guys are missing the really odd part of the story: Walker is a guy who likes dressing up in _military_ uniforms and he attends _Oberlin_! The only way that it could be more odd would be for him to attend Antioch. [/QUOTE] Was Antioch founded by Quakers also? I didn’t know that. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/51 "2006-09-03T05:57:09Z")
[QUOTE=twickster] Was Antioch founded by Quakers also? I didn’t know that. [/QUOTE] Quakers? No. Horace Mann was the first president. However, Antioch, which has always been pretty individualistic in its approach to education was in the forefront of the anti-war movement during Vietnam and continues to be considered pretty anti-military even today. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/52 "2006-09-03T08:39:35Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] Those are pretty strong words. Why do I inspire so much loathing in you? [/QUOTE] I don’t know, but allow me to ad a, “me too,” to \*\*Enginerd’s \*\* comments. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/53 "2006-09-03T09:18:19Z")
[QUOTE=msmith537] While it sounds like friend “Joey” was out of line, I’ve been to enough frat parties in my day that I know the type well. No one is going to come up to you and start a fight directly. They will comment under their breath or pull other passive aggressive crap to goad or otherwise fuck with you and see what they can get away with. [/QUOTE] Not to mention that sometimes people who dress or act in an attention-getting manner do so because **they** want to start something. I’ll take your word for it that Walker does not fall into that category, but it does happen. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/54 "2006-09-03T12:13:37Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Quakers? No. Horace Mann was the first president. However, Antioch, which has always been pretty individualistic in its approach to education was in the forefront of the anti-war movement during Vietnam and continues to be considered pretty anti-military even today. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I know that – but Oberlin is actually a Quaker school – thus my brain fart. “Never mind!” [/Emily Litella] ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/55 "2006-09-03T12:28:08Z")
[QUOTE=threemae] Originally Posted by Argent Towers Those are pretty strong words. Why do I inspire so much loathing in you? I don’t know, but allow me to ad a, “me too,” to \*\*Enginerd’s \*\* comments. [/QUOTE] Well let’s see. You guys go to a party. Your friend is dressed like an extra from Gallipoli. You proceed to berate their culture of not looking like freaks and talk about how you loath them so much. Your other friend almost gets into a fight with some guy a foot shorter than him because he said it was a “sausage party”. And yet you still go on like you guys are the victims here. What exactly was it about the people at this party that you loathed? And what the heck is a “wanabe frat guy”? Does that make them better or worse than actual fraternity guys? > [@Sunrazor](#): > > [sausage fest] comes from the “American Pie” sequel in which the guys throw a big party at their beachfront house, but realize that only guys are attending. The house is filled with horny college boys, but there are only one or two girls, prompting Stiffler to coin the phrase, “sausage fest.” The phrase has been around long before American Pie. Or at least it was at my college. (and it was Sherman who coined the term, not Stiffler IIRC). ---
**Author:** ![tashabot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tashabot/32/6250_2.png) [@tashabot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tashabot)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/56 "2006-09-04T03:15:21Z")
I haven’t been following the thread, but wearing uniforms isn’t that odd - at least, not where I’m from. EVERYONE here in Carson City seems obsessed with uniforms, recent and archaic. One of my friends has a replica of British military wear, American Revolution-era. I myself have an old Russian uniform jacket that I’d love to get the rest of the uniform for, despite the fact that I’m female. ~Tasha ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/57 "2006-09-04T17:31:17Z")
Nevada? When the hell did you guys become a state? ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/58 "2006-09-05T10:47:36Z")
**Argent** , your friend and I really should get together and have a few drinks one night… I like his style! ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/59 "2006-09-05T11:35:24Z")
[QUOTE=Una Persson] How on earth was this: “disrespectful” to your friend? It seems to me to be a general comment on the party as a whole. I doubt anyone was “very shaken” with him being there, they probably just wondered why someone needed to call that much attention to themselves, and if it was some stunt to get girls. I guess maybe that explains the “sausage fest” comment, but even then I don’t see that as “disrespectful”, just saying “dude, it might work but there aren’t enough girls here.” No offense to you, but between “Walker” and this “Joey” guy who’s looking for a fight, it sounds like your friends are somewhat sadly attention-starved and angry at the world. [/QUOTE] Yeah, the whole thing sounds more like a clash of the retards. Look! A scenester and a fratboy got in an argument! OMG, it, like, matters! Wait, no it doesn’t. There’s something completely inexplicable to me about people dressing in ensembles calculated to beg for attention and then getting upset about that attention. > [@Sage Rat](#): > > I don’t know Walker, but I don’t see anything in the recounting where it shows him to be an attention whore. I dressed wierd in high school and still would if I could get away with it in adult life. Dressing all rebelious and going out to picket places that do animal testing or whatever is being an attention whore, not giving a fuck what people think and dressing in the clothes you want to wear is not giving a fuck about what people think and living your life the way you want to. That may not be true for Walker, but there’s no reason to think otherwise until we find out different. Going to the trouble to dress like a British army officer (or whatever it was) is about “not giving a fuck about what people think”? Wow, see, I didn’t realize how much effort it took to “not giv[e] a fuck”. See, I thought “not giving a fuck” sort of meant _not_ going to special effort to look weird. > [@Argent Towers](#): > > It was Walker who was wearing the outfit - Joey is the one who confronted the short guy. Walker is a very nonconfrontational and easygoing guy who takes everything in stride. Walker never would have reacted the way that Joey did. > > Look, you guys are justifiably against Joey’s behavior and surprised that the sausage fest comment would elicit the reaction it did. But you did not hear his tone of voice and see his body language, something that I did hear and see. His tone of voice was most definitely rude, accusing, and abrasive. The look in his face was completely confrontational. It was the way he said it that mattered. It’s ironic how often people who “don’t giv[e] a fuck” manage to get in physical confrontations. > [@Argent Towers](#): > > From what I later gathered, from people who knew him, shorty was an unstable, aggressive outcast with a Napoleon complex who liked to fuck with people. The rest of the guests at the party would not have rallied to defend him. Funny how much is being added to the story as time passes. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190/60 "2006-09-05T12:12:35Z")
[QUOTE=Excalibre] A scenester and a fratboy got in an argument! OMG, it, like, matters! Wait, no it doesn’t. [/QUOTE] Maybe it doesn’t matter to you. It happened to my friend, in my life, as seen through my eyes - so it matters to me. Don’t act like I’m a lifeless computer screen. I am a person with a life, and things go on in that life, and they matter to me. Is it the cure for cancer? No. Is it an experience that I felt like writing about? Yes. [QUOTE=Excalibre] There’s something completely inexplicable to me about people dressing in ensembles calculated to beg for attention and then getting upset about that attention. [/QUOTE] It was the fact that the guy was being rude and confrontational that upset ME (not Walker, who took the whole incident in stride.) Implicit in the “I’m not trying to make fun of you” was “you faggot,” and you would know what I’m talking about if you had seen and heard the guy and looked at his face as he said it. Walker doesn’t get upset about the attention he gets for wearing his outfits. 9 times out of 10 he gets compliments, and when he doesn’t, he lets it slide. [QUOTE=Excalibre] It’s ironic how often people who “don’t giv[e] a fuck” manage to get in physical confrontations. [/QUOTE] Walker didn’t get into any physical confrontation. This was between Joey and the other guy, okay? Pay attention to what I’ve written before you comment on it like this, because you’ve mixed up the facts. [QUOTE=Excalibre] Funny how much is being added to the story as time passes. [/QUOTE] What’s your point? Are you accusing me of lying? What’s “funny” about remembering more details of the story and bringing them up as the discussion continues? I’m just trying to give you the best possible picture of what went on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-wear-jodphurs-to-a-party-filled-with-frat-wannabes/371190.md?page=4)