# Do overt religious displays bias you for or against a business? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 7, 2007, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735 "2007-08-07T13:06:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/301 "2007-08-18T00:41:50Z")
[QUOTE=Brain Wreck] Apparently they believe (and they may be right) that there is is some target demographic that cares nothing about the quality of the music as long as it’s safe… they just want something that emits a bland steady drone from the ClearChannel mother hive that is free of anything that might promote “unsafe” thoughts. [/QUOTE] Indeed, there are people like this. A family in the church where I grew up (back in the late '70s - early '80s) had a very narrow list of artists their kids could listen to. All Christian artists, and all exceptionally bland. (FTR, we’re still friends with these people 30+ years later, though we live in different cities now, and they’ve loosened up considerably since then.) ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/302 "2007-08-19T11:31:35Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] This is scripturally inaccurate as I read it on 2 levels, the first is that God knows all and sees all, so Jesus can see what goes on here on earth from His seat and the right hand of the Father, second is that Jesus came to John from Heaven in Revelation, Jesus was there. BTW this is not the only time in scripture that Jesus came back to earth, one very well known occurance was when Jesus came to Saul, a opponent of Jesus and the early church, after which Saul changed his name to Paul and wrote about 1/2 of the NT. So we are not talking about years after the fact or even days, Jesus instructed St. John in person to write down these things at the time of the revelation. [/QUOTE] Again you are not proving any point, just that you believe that Jesus is living in some mystical place. Yet he is quoted as saying the things he said would happen, would happen in that generation,I do not remember the direct quote but he said.some of the people standing there would be still on earth when he returned, This generation will not pass away until all things were accomplished. We all know 2000 years later that he hasn’t come back, and I wager that in 3000 years more he will still not have come back. Now believers have changed the meaning of “this Generation”. Revelations were written many years after Jesus’s death. And if some one wrote this today they would say John was mentally ill. Monavis ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/303 "2007-08-19T11:43:26Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] Also there are some nonbiblical historical record that appear to be written during His life on earth, mainly government records IIRC. [/QUOTE] I beg to differ, there are no historical records(if there is please give me the historian’s name) that can verify any thing about Him. Some early historians may mention the name of a Jesus but that doesn’t tell us anything about what he did,or said they learned from people who said he did or said such things,not Jesus. There is no birth certificate from that period. It is thought that there was a Jesus in the time period but not while Jesus was alive, so most of the information which took some time to get to different people could be mostly hearsay. It is just on faith not fact. Few people could read and there was only by mouth that things were told and even then travel was very slow. I remember when I was a child we had no electricity,or phone,Going 50 miles was an all day trip by automobile. Monavis ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/304 "2007-08-19T12:30:46Z")
[QUOTE=monavis] Again you are not proving any point, just that you believe that Jesus is living in some mystical place. Yet he is quoted as saying the things he said would happen, would happen in that generation,I do not remember the direct quote but he said.some of the people standing there would be still on earth when he returned, This generation will not pass away until all things were accomplished. We all know 2000 years later that he hasn’t come back, and I wager that in 3000 years more he will still not have come back. Now believers have changed the meaning of “this Generation”. Revelations were written many years after Jesus’s death. And if some one wrote this today they would say John was mentally ill. Monavis [/QUOTE] If John wrote Revelation today, he would write it in a way consistent with the theological, historical & legal context of today. For a people who were saturated in Hebrew Scripture & celestial/pagan lore & knew the situation in Jersusalem & Rome, Revelation was quite clear. The Roman & Jewish establishments are against the Church. Rome shall turn upon Jerusalem & deify itself. Waves of turmoil in Rome & Jerusalem will model the Old Testament plagues. It will all end with Christ triumphantly spreading His Church/Kingdom throughout the Gentile world. And that process will happen within a generation of Jesus’s career. His career was ca. 29-33 AD, and a forty-year generation would take us to 70 AD. Books by Rev. David Chilton [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2226\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2226_47e.htm) [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/214e\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/214e_47e.htm) [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/21de\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/21de_47e.htm) Books by Rev. Ken Gentry [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2186\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2186_47e.htm) [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2206\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2206_47e.htm) Two sites with various perspectives about a 70 AD “End Times” Boy, has this gone far afield of the OP! [http://www.preteristsite.com/](http://www.preteristsite.com/) [http://www.preteristarchive.com/](http://www.preteristarchive.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Hobohob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Hobohob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hobohob)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/305 "2007-08-19T16:40:34Z")
I don’t buy those kosher hot dogs that brag about being regulated “by a higher power”. Not my higher power! My God doesn’t endorse kosher nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/306 "2007-08-19T18:47:40Z")
[QUOTE=Hobohob] I don’t buy those kosher hot dogs that brag about being regulated “by a higher power”. Not my higher power! My God doesn’t endorse kosher nonsense. [/QUOTE] Then you’re missing out — Hebrew National hot dogs are good eatin’! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/307 "2007-08-19T20:48:46Z")
[QUOTE=Hobohob] I don’t buy those kosher hot dogs that brag about being regulated “by a higher power”. Not my higher power! My God doesn’t endorse kosher nonsense. [/QUOTE] Well, the Kosher “nonsense” wasn’t written for you. It wasn’t written for me either, tho I do follow the God that wrote it. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/308 "2007-08-19T21:52:45Z")
[QUOTE=Hobohob] I don’t buy those kosher hot dogs that brag about being regulated “by a higher power”. Not my higher power! My God doesn’t endorse kosher nonsense. [/QUOTE] I’m neutral on the sense or nonsense of the religion behind it, but kosher hot dogs are just way better, man. Wish I could say the same for Passover wine…_urk_ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/309 "2007-08-19T22:16:17Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] I’m neutral on the sense or nonsense of the religion behind it, but kosher hot dogs are just way better, man. [/QUOTE] My husband always buys kosher dogs because they’re all beef. I, being a hot dog philistine, can’t tell the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/310 "2007-08-19T22:22:36Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] I’m neutral on the sense or nonsense of the religion behind it, but kosher hot dogs are just way better, man. Wish I could say the same for Passover wine…_urk_ 😛 [/QUOTE] Manishevitz - wine for people who don’t really like wine! For some of us it was the only wine we got until we were in college. And if **Hobohob** wants to eat hot dogs from China, that’s his lookout. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/311 "2007-08-20T11:20:23Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] If John wrote Revelation today, he would write it in a way consistent with the theological, historical & legal context of today. For a people who were saturated in Hebrew Scripture & celestial/pagan lore & knew the situation in Jersusalem & Rome, Revelation was quite clear. The Roman & Jewish establishments are against the Church. Rome shall turn upon Jerusalem & deify itself. Waves of turmoil in Rome & Jerusalem will model the Old Testament plagues. It will all end with Christ triumphantly spreading His Church/Kingdom throughout the Gentile world. And that process will happen within a generation of Jesus’s career. His career was ca. 29-33 AD, and a forty-year generation would take us to 70 AD. Books by Rev. David Chilton [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2226\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2226_47e.htm) [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/214e\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/214e_47e.htm) [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/21de\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/21de_47e.htm) Books by Rev. Ken Gentry [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2186\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2186_47e.htm) [http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2206\_47e.htm](http://s155777461.onlinehome.us/docs/2206_47e.htm) Two sites with various perspectives about a 70 AD “End Times” Boy, has this gone far afield of the OP! [http://www.preteristsite.com/](http://www.preteristsite.com/) [http://www.preteristarchive.com/](http://www.preteristarchive.com/) [/QUOTE] John didn’t write it today you that makes the point moot. The generation Jesus was part of is long gone! Monavis ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/312 "2007-08-20T12:03:44Z")
[QUOTE=Hobohob] I don’t buy those kosher hot dogs that brag about being regulated “by a higher power”. Not my higher power! My God doesn’t endorse kosher nonsense. [/QUOTE] They’re not regulated \*by \* a higher power, they’re regulated \*for \* a higher power. That’s not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/313 "2007-08-20T12:07:34Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] I’m neutral on the sense or nonsense of the religion behind it, but kosher hot dogs are just way better, man. Wish I could say the same for Passover wine…_urk_ 😛 [/QUOTE] Try Passover Coca-Cola sometime…you could become a convert! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/314 "2007-08-20T13:19:35Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] Try Passover Coca-Cola sometime…you could become a convert! 🙂 [/QUOTE] Hey, and I’m already circumcised, so the REAL difficult part of adult conversion to Judaism is rendered moot… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2007, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/315 "2007-08-23T08:10:41Z")
New age,Buddhist,Hinduor Taoist have never bothered me and Buses in Malta ,for one example used to have a catholic shrine on board . Though not Jewish myself was given a bollocking by a diner owner in Israel for eating a buger while drinking milk on a roadside table ,didn.t bother me ,when in Rome etc. But I think if it was one of the more wayout cults like the Moonies or Scientologists I’d probably go somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Li\_l\_Pluck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ee59a6/32.png) [@Li\_l\_Pluck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Li_l_Pluck)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2007, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735/316 "2007-08-23T09:06:28Z")
[QUOTE=Lust4Life] Though not Jewish myself was given a bollocking by a diner owner in Israel for eating a buger while drinking milk on a roadside table ,didn.t bother me ,when in Rome etc. [QUOTE] Very nice of you. I, however, \*am \* Jewish, and I might’ve, with as much diplomacy as I could muster up at the moment, invited him to mind his own damned business. It’s not as if you were breaking the milchig/fleishig prohibition on \*his \* property. Or, borrowing from my aunt: “What \*\*I \*\* eat ain’t gonna make \*\*you \*\* shit!” 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-overt-religious-displays-bias-you-for-or-against-a-business/414735.md?page=15)