# Do Palin's leaked speeches alter your opinion of her? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486 "2009-11-05T23:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Recliner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a88e57/32.png) [@Recliner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recliner)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/21 "2009-11-06T13:09:04Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That second quoted sentence pretty much invalidates everything else. Saying in a concession speech that the winner has less “merit and valor” than the loser is a twat move. Exactly – why would you even do it? It can’t possibly benefit you, your party, or your future prospects. “I’m voting for her because of that backhanded compliment she made that one time. That was awesome!” Foolish. But then, when isn’t she? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/22 "2009-11-06T13:41:28Z")
My opinion of Sarah Palin is still that she is probably trying to be a good person, but in my opinion that is not reason to take anything she says seriously. There are many good persons who have ideas I disagree with. To think she quit being govener to influnce the world to think her way(apparently) is a might egotistical. I wouldn’t vote for her or for any of the pople she would back for any office. Just being a good person is not a qualification to be a leader of a nation or knowing who the best person to run for an office. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/23 "2009-11-06T15:01:22Z")
Her speech hasn’t changed my opinion at all. I still think that her qualifications are barely above “bobble-head”. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/24 "2009-11-06T16:14:56Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > In the U.S. if a quoted paragraph ends without a closing quote mark, then the next paragraph is continuing the same quotation. The closing quote goes at the end of the quoted material, however many paragraphs are used. Usually writers will interject with a “, she said.” or a “. He continued by saying,”. Not in this case, apparently, the lines are seperated in the [actual text of her leaked concession speech](http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-03/sarah-palins-lost-victory-speech/full/). Not really impressed, myself. She says some nice things about Obama, makes a sort of backhanded compliment others have noticed, and then goes into her boilerplate talk about her family and “this great country” pablum. McCain’s speech, by contrast, was one of the more moving political speeches of my lifetime. Granted some of that was more about the context then the speech itself. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/25 "2009-11-07T04:39:06Z")
> [@](#): > > It would be a happier night if elections were a test of valour and merit alone, but that is not for us to question now. Blows it. Right. There. Team McCain were right to keep her quiet. _ **His** _ speech, be it victory or concession, was the only one that anyone cared about coming from that room on that night. Sarah’s finest (nationwide mass-media) hour was at the Convention; some major speechwriting calamity must have happened afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/26 "2009-11-11T04:27:58Z")
[Fox News Fact-Checks Sarah Palin's Coin Conspiracy Theory (VIDEO) | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/fox-news-fact-checks-sara_n_353210.html) She is so unprepared and stupid ,even Fox has called her out this time. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/27 "2009-11-11T23:15:16Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Fox News Fact-Checks Sarah Palin's Coin Conspiracy Theory (VIDEO) | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/fox-news-fact-checks-sara_n_353210.html) She is so unprepared and stupid ,even Fox has called her out this time. Good Golly. I’d love to see her response if someone were to have corrected her on the spot. She’s such a 'tard. But I love calling her Caribou Barbie ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/28 "2009-11-11T23:27:11Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > This is supposed to be her gracious speech in which she says basically “oh, fine, have your stupid election, it’s not like you won on merit or anything anyway”? Yeah, she’s a peach. Is she saying that the grapes were sour anyway, or that the fatherland failed her so they don’t deserve her? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/29 "2009-11-11T23:30:06Z")
Got damn. It’s better than “you won’t have Palin to kick around anymore,” but not by much. Thing is, though, a good part of her base could care less what implications she raises as long as she gins up their RO. So to those people, it will only harden their loyalty to her. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/30 "2009-11-11T23:37:18Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Not in this case, apparently, the lines are seperated in the [actual text of her leaked concession speech](http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-03/sarah-palins-lost-victory-speech/full/). > > Not really impressed, myself. She says some nice things about Obama, makes a sort of backhanded compliment others have noticed, and then goes into her boilerplate talk about her family and “this great country” pablum. McCain’s speech, by contrast, was one of the more moving political speeches of my lifetime. Granted some of that was more about the context then the speech itself. Thanks for the link to the speeches in their entirety. Sarah’s a dick even to the handicapped: > [@](#): > > …How could I ever forget a boy like Charlie, a fine young man we met at a rally in Florida who has Down Syndrome? Charlie and I swapped email addresses, and the last time he replied he said, “By the way, please don’t call me ‘darlin’—it’s not tough enough.” So tonight, a special shout-out to you, Chuck… darlin’… ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/31 "2009-11-11T23:40:34Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > There is no way that Sarah Palin wrote the quote in the OP. She is incapable of eloquence. It was written for her and it is telling it wasn’t used. I have to agree with you, but this part of the victory speech sounds like Pure Pailn: > [@](#): > > …And I said to my husband Todd that it’s not a step down when he’s no longer Alaska’s “First Dude.” He will now be the first guy ever to become the “Second Dude.”… Is it me or is it incomprehensible? ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/32 "2009-11-12T00:20:52Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Is it me or is it incomprehensible? The (male) Governors spouse is the “first lady of Alaska”, so Palin used to joke Todd was the “first dude”. The (male) VP’s spouse is the “second lady”, so if they’d won, Todd would’ve been “Second Dude”, which sounds like a step down, but isn’t. Not exactly comedy gold, but not a terrible joke by the standards of political speech humor. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/33 "2009-11-12T00:25:24Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > The (male) Governors spouse is the “first lady of Alaska”, so Palin used to joke Todd was the “first dude”. The (male) VP’s spouse is the “second lady”, so if they’d won, Todd would’ve been “Second Dude”, which sounds like a step down, but isn’t. > > Not exactly comedy gold, but not a terrible joke by the standards of political speech humor. I’ve never heard of the VP’s wife being called the “2nd Lady”. Really – I had no idea. It makes a dim kind of sense. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/34 "2009-11-12T02:29:32Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Is she saying that the grapes were sour anyway, or that the fatherland failed her so they don’t deserve her? > > -Joe I think the implication is “you’ve all been wooed by his charm, so he wins the election. If you idiots had any sense and voted for who would be the best president, we would’ve won” ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/35 "2009-11-12T03:47:26Z")
I doubt my opinion of her could be any lower but I am fairly often surprised. While my opinion of her could be lower, I am certain it could never be higher. ---
**Author:** ![hobscrk777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@hobscrk777](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hobscrk777)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/36 "2009-11-12T13:43:03Z")
As long as she keeps touting things like coin conspiracies and giving speeches in private, locked-down rooms with no recording devices allowed (even paper and pencil) whatsoever, she will be relegated to the category of “dumb bitch.” ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/37 "2009-11-12T21:56:38Z")
> [@Boyo Jim](#): > > I’ve never heard of the VP’s wife being called the “2nd Lady”. Really – I had no idea. It makes a dim kind of sense. AFAIK it’s not an official title, but it’s quite a common [media nickname](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/27/2008-12-27_from_a_blind_date_to_second_lady_jill_bi.html) for the VP’s wife. We saw the term “Second Gentleman” for a male vice-presidential spouse [thrown around](http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.929/pub_detail.asp) for a bit in the 2008 campaign, starting with the debate over whether Hillary Clinton would be Obama’s running mate. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/38 "2009-11-13T04:29:38Z")
> [@hobscrk777](#): > > As long as she keeps touting things like coin conspiracies and giving speeches in private, locked-down rooms with no recording devices allowed (even paper and pencil) whatsoever, she will be relegated to the category of “dumb bitch.” As if when she got picked by the Repubs for Vp and immediately went into hiding, that wasn’t enough of a clue. They sat her down and trained her to answer questions and not be a tard. It did not work. How big a joke does someone have to be before the repubs run away from them screaming? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/39 "2009-11-13T05:08:56Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > How big a joke does someone have to be before the repubs run away from them screaming? We’re still waiting for the bottom of that particular barrel to be sounded… ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486/40 "2009-11-13T11:59:53Z")
Who’s to say that this “leaked” speech is anything but disinformation? She could have planned a racist tirade and in the better light of day leaked this out 9 months later to rewrite history. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-palins-leaked-speeches-alter-your-opinion-of-her/516486.md?page=3)