# Do people in the UK, Australia, Canada, and Europe eat cornbread? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 18, 2016, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158 "2016-08-18T08:26:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/1 "2016-08-18T08:26:12Z")
Tried googling which countries eat cornbread This link list Caribbean islands that eat johnnycake. That’s similar. > **[Johnnycake](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnycake)** > > Johnnycake, also known as journey cake, johnny bread, hoecake, shawnee cake or spider cornbread, is a cornmeal flatbread, a type of batter bread. An early American staple food, it is prepared on the Atlantic coast from Newfoundland to Jamaica. The food originates from the indigenous people of North America. It is still eaten in the West Indies, Dominican Republic, Saint Croix, The Bahamas, Colombia, Bermuda, Curaçao and Puerto Rico as well as in the United States and Canada. > The modern johnnyc... This link mentions Native Americans and the US. Nothing about other countries. > **[Cornbread](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornbread)** > > Cornbread is a quick bread made with cornmeal, associated with the cuisine of the Southern United States, with origins in Native American cuisine. It is an example of batter bread. Dumplings and pancakes made with finely ground cornmeal are staple foods of the Hopi people in Arizona. The Hidatsa people of the Upper Midwest call baked cornbread naktsi. Cherokee and Seneca tribes enrich the basic batter, adding chestnuts, sunflower seeds, apples or berries, and sometimes combining beans or potat... What about Canada, UK, Australia and Europe? Are they missing out on this delicacy? I prefer cornbread over sliced bread, biscuits or rolls any day. I’d be devastated if a French Cafe didn’t have cornbread. ---
**Author:** ![Galwegian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galwegian/32/3426_2.png) [@Galwegian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galwegian)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/2 "2016-08-18T08:37:48Z")
Only ever saw it on a menu once, [here](http://www.centerparcs.co.uk/thingstodo/restaurant/restaurants/hucks.jsp), in Penrith. Tried it out of curiosity, and found it vile: heavy and too rich. I presume it’s better in its homeland, so I’d try it again in the US. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/3 "2016-08-18T09:01:06Z")
Ugh, dense cornbread. Totally agree that’s nasty. I add a little extra milk to make mine lighter. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/4 "2016-08-18T09:27:25Z")
I’ve wondered if finely milled corn meal is available in other countries? That’s essential to make cornbread. The other ingredients are common baking items any home pantry usually has. IIRC Johnny cakes use a courser corn meal. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/5 "2016-08-18T09:36:03Z")
Information on the different types of corn meal. > **[What’s the Difference Between Cornmeal and Polenta?](https://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-difference-between-cornmeal-and-polenta-word-of-mouth-211404)** > > Cornmeal has long been used for baked goods and giving fried foods crunch and texture. Polenta may feel like a less-familiar newcomer, not surprisingly causing some confusion. What’s the difference between these two cornmeal products? The difference... This is very informative. Interesting how different cultures refer to ingredients. > [@](#): > > Finely ground cornmeal is sometimes labeled as corn flour, but British recipes that call for “cornflour” actually refer to cornstarch, which is not milled from the whole corn kernel. ---
**Author:** ![Galwegian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galwegian/32/3426_2.png) [@Galwegian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galwegian)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/6 "2016-08-18T09:38:19Z")
Is that the same as [cornflour](http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=254881575)? I use it mostly to thicken sauces. I’ve never actually noticed corn meal on the aisles of any supermarket, but looking online, it looks like it’s [available](http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=255575078), at least in some places. Edit: Ninja’d by OP! ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/7 "2016-08-18T09:44:46Z")
Sort of. [_Bizcocho_](https://www.google.es/search?q=bizcocho&biw=1005&bih=1005&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU1pbM1srOAhWJuRQKHdahDkgQ_AUIBigB) is a close relative of cornbread and recipes for it normally use corn flour, but the density of Spanish _bizcocho_ and American cornbread, wellllll… both in pure weight and calories, your version is a lot heavier. I’ve made both regular and chocolate _bizcochos_ for Americans using 3x as much sugar as I would at home and they still found it “so light!” The French and Italians also make _bizcochos_, but I don’t know what do they call them. We had chocolate _kaka_ in Sweden which was on the heavy side. My crystal ball says you can find variations on the theme all over Europe, but of course with different names. ---
**Author:** ![lynne-42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lynne-42/32/3138_2.png) [@lynne-42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynne-42)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/8 "2016-08-18T09:48:46Z")
We can get something from our local bakery which is called cornbread. It’s like normal bread except more yellow and a hint of corn flavour. Is that what cornbread is in the US? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/9 "2016-08-18T09:53:27Z")
not routinely in the UK. I have made it once or twice, family didn’t like it (could be I’m crap at making it of course) ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/10 "2016-08-18T10:01:10Z")
I’ve only seen it once in Australia, at a restaurant specializing in southern American food. It was prepared more like a sliced loaf of bread, rather than like…a cake, I suppose. Rather odd. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/11 "2016-08-18T10:12:51Z")
There used to be a fast food place in Sydney called\* Boston Market\*. They sold baked dinners with various accompaniments. One of the side dishes was a little personal cornbread loaf. My son enjoyed it but I found it to be too cake like - all fat, flour and sugar. But interesting as a variation on bread I guess. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/12 "2016-08-18T10:19:24Z")
> [@lynne-42](#): > > We can get something from our local bakery which is called cornbread. It’s like normal bread except more yellow and a hint of corn flavour. Is that what cornbread is in the US? It’s probably very similar. Here’s a photo. You can see the color and texture. It can be sliced many ways. Triangles, squares or even cooked in muffin pans. [https://goo.gl/images/WAQQ28](https://goo.gl/images/WAQQ28) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/13 "2016-08-18T10:24:55Z")
Many Americans eat cornbread without sugar. I make it with just a little sugar. Two rounded tablespoons in a batch. That gives a hint of sweetness. But it’s not sweet like cake. ---
**Author:** ![lynne-42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lynne-42/32/3138_2.png) [@lynne-42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynne-42)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/14 "2016-08-18T10:34:41Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s probably very similar. Here’s a photo. You can see the color and texture. > > It can be sliced many ways. Triangles, squares or even cooked in muffin pans. > > [https://goo.gl/images/WAQQ28](https://goo.gl/images/WAQQ28) Thank you! I think ours might be cornbread-lite. It is less yellow, less dense and seems to be baked like normal bread. I will be in the US in February so will try proper cornbread. I love almost anything with corn. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/15 "2016-08-18T10:36:12Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Sort of. > > [_Bizcocho_](https://www.google.es/search?q=bizcocho&biw=1005&bih=1005&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU1pbM1srOAhWJuRQKHdahDkgQ_AUIBigB) is a close relative of cornbread and recipes for it normally use corn flour, but the density of Spanish _bizcocho_ and American cornbread, wellllll… both in pure weight and calories, your version is a lot heavier. I’ve made both regular and chocolate _bizcochos_ for Americans using 3x as much sugar as I would at home and they still found it “so light!” > > The French and Italians also make _bizcochos_, but I don’t know what do they call them. We had chocolate _kaka_ in Sweden which was on the heavy side. My crystal ball says you can find variations on the theme all over Europe, but of course with different names. That looks very tasty. 😃 I’ll have to try Bizcocho someday at a Spanish restaurant. I love the flavor of corn. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/16 "2016-08-18T11:26:08Z")
We (South Africa) have two main kinds - [mealiebread[/URL made with sweetcorn], and \*[URL=“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potbrood”]potbrood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mealie_bread)\* [/pɔtbroət/ (the latter is made in[a kind of Dutch Oven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_oven#Potjie) and may be made with maize or wheat or a combo) Maize is a staple here, but usually in the form of samp (like hominy without the nixtamalization) or pap (stiff porridge like mash or polenta) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/17 "2016-08-18T13:56:51Z")
If your local “cornbread” is “like normal bread”, then it’s probably got a lot more wheat flour in it than corn. Cornbread is very crumbly, as corn doesn’t have the gluten which holds wheat bread together. Real cornbread, if you try to spread butter on it, you’ll end up with crumbs on your knife. Though to be fair, even American cornbread will often be roughly equal parts corn and wheat. ---
**Author:** ![lynne-42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lynne-42/32/3138_2.png) [@lynne-42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynne-42)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/18 "2016-08-18T14:12:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If your local “cornbread” is “like normal bread”, then it’s probably got a lot more wheat flour in it than corn. Cornbread is very crumbly, as corn doesn’t have the gluten which holds wheat bread together. Real cornbread, if you try to spread butter on it, you’ll end up with crumbs on your knife. > > Though to be fair, even American cornbread will often be roughly equal parts corn and wheat. Thank you. Then ours is not real cornbread. It doesn’t crumble. ---
**Author:** ![kferr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71e660/32.png) [@kferr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kferr)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/19 "2016-08-18T14:59:26Z")
In the UK corn flour is also known as polenta which is quite common. I made cornbread from it once and it was OK. You can now get Jiffy brand cornbread mix from [amazon.co.uk](http://amazon.co.uk). ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158/20 "2016-08-18T15:03:11Z")
Canadian here. Mom used to make it because dad’s mom was Iowan and he liked it. When I see it here, it’s more of a confection than a staple. The place downstairs from my office puts it on the side when the special is taco salad. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-people-in-the-uk-australia-canada-and-europe-eat-cornbread/763158.md?page=2)