LOL, yeah Acid isn’t coming about much anymore. I can always get it, and it’s not that difficult, but you’ve gotta be connected to the scenes that still like it.
Opiates are still popular it’s just that vicodin and oxycontin are pretty easy to get, so why bother with heroin or opium?
Opium is rare because it’s mostly grown overseas in places like Afghanistan, domestic production is usually put toward medical purposes like morphine and other medical opioids. Heroin is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to ship and is far more valuable than Opium. The same weight of opium that would cost $ 500 is worth millions in heroin so there is little incentive to ship opium around the world. Most people who have opium get it because they are connoiseurs. IE, people travelling or people growing it themselves.
Mushrooms are as popular as ever because they are really easy to procure. It’s easy to grow them in your closet, or to pick them in the forest.
The idea that hash is rare is news to me. I get hash practically thrown at me. I like pot better than I like hash, but people seem to think Hash is the beezneez.
The only people I ever knew who did PCP were a bunch of really crusty Ravers from a Satanic gang out of South Brooklyn. There was a crowd involved in the terrorcore and hardtechno scene that liked the PCP. I can’t even stand the smell of it and don’t really want to try it. But it’s around.
Never been around Quaaludes ever in my life.
Ketamine is pretty popular in New York, or at least was for most of this decade.
As for the ‘NEW’ drugs, I doubt most of you have even heard of them or would have any idea as to where you can procure 2cE or 2cB or 2ct7 or any of the like. If you don’t know who Alexander Shulgin is…well…you don’t know what the new drugs are. Ayahuasca is becoming popular with the ‘Mayan Shaman’ tourism to Central and South America. But like Mescaline it’s kind of limited in scope. DMT usage is pretty rare even amongst psychonauts.
Randy Seltzer, I was pretty dubious myself. But that’s what her mother claims and since I know absolutely nothing about drugs, just figured it was easier to take her word for it.
Yeah, PCP smells horrible. One of the ways it’s done is by dipping the tip of a cigarette into the solution kept in a vial. You can smell it twenty feet away, it’s horrible.
You know that look in someone’s eyes, that half deadened look where they look at you like they want to do you harm, or get one over on you, and the only reason they haven’t is because they haven’t figured out how? Well, that’s how a dusthead looks.
I smoked opium once in college, but it was a big event that someone had gotten some and a bunch of us gathered around to try. Hash was less common that pot but not uncommon. I knew where you could get PCP.
But nothing identified a speaker as “out of touch clueless grown-up” quite like mentioning Qualuudes in drug lecture. No one I knew had ever seen one or heard of anyone who had. One of my friends (he who got the opium) went on a quest to find some, since we’d all heard about their evilness in high school. Never could.
Other than your cites not saying one single word about the ancients smoking (your word) marijuana, I have to point out that ancient oral traditions in China are not worth the paper they’re printed on.
It is worth quoting the very next paragraph from your own cite:
Ok, maybe smoking it wasn’t the first thing they did with it in the history of the universe, but they took it as a drug. This thread is about drugs. Medicine is drugs. They took cannabis as a drug. DRUGS!
Yeah… and then the one after that…
Selective quoting and trying to discredit my whole argument because I said people have smoked weed for centuries, but actually at first they were only eating it, seems kind of representative of an agenda. People consume marijuana today (pot brownies anyone?) and it’s stil considered “doing” it.
This won’t work. Nobody was ever denying that marijuana has been around for a very long time. Nobody was ever denying that it was used in some cultures before it became known as something to be smoked in America.
What I was pointing out is that you said people were smoking marijuana 5000 years ago. There is zero evidence for it. There is zero evidence for it in your cites. All the evidence points to smoking as a later development in the history of cannabis use. All the evidence points to hemp growers using the fabric without commonly using it as a high. The paragraph you use as a riposte give one solitary reference and then says “there are scarce citations of the use of cannabis as a hallucinogen in ancient Chinese texts.”
If you wanted to talk about the history of cannabis use, you could have done that. You didn’t. Instead you made a bald statement that is almost certainly not true in any sense and then gave citations that didn’t back it up in the least. Your “what I really meant to say was something totally different than my actual words” defense doesn’t cut it.
That’s my defense. If you want to talk about what cultures did 5000 years ago I’d be fascinated to hear about it, because I’ve never seen an actual cite. Oral traditions don’t count. If you can provide 5000 year old text that would be praiseworthy.
Ayahuasca is becoming popular with the ‘Mayan Shaman’ tourism to Central and South America. But like Mescaline it’s kind of limited in scope. DMT usage is pretty rare even amongst psychonauts.