# Do Satanists have a branding issue? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 9, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031 "2024-04-09T00:30:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/121 "2024-04-10T16:05:24Z")
No body is required to give a crap about me I thought that’s what you meant. I apologize if I misunderstand you. I’m not really asking people to care about the price of insulin. It’s clear to me it’s not important enough to enough people. Yet. We’re getting older folks. Don’t know the data but I bet America is skewing older. Don’t know the stats, but many people will need insulin as they age. I was just giving someone an option to, a hint and idea. Maybe Satanic groups could take on health care issues. That would help their branding and help get the healthcare crisis in the news. Win win. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/122 "2024-04-10T16:07:35Z")
[Astronomy, astrology, satanism?](https://www.idiotcult.com/wp-content/uploads/Hail-Sagan-1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/123 "2024-04-10T16:12:28Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > For a cite, pull out a dollar bill. Those words are on there. Who do you consider to be “Founding Fathers”?? All of the authors of the Constitution were long dead before “In God We Trust” ever appeared on a dollar bill, ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/124 "2024-04-10T16:12:57Z")
> [@bump](#): > > So they come across as dabblers and insincere dorks trying to shock people. I think this post better describes the Flying Spaghetti Monster folks, not the “shocking people” part but certainly the goofy wink-wink-religion-is-silly stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/125 "2024-04-10T16:13:01Z")
Ok. Did not know that. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/126 "2024-04-10T16:15:27Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I don’t have any real experience with Satanists. Why do they call themselves Satanists if they don’t believe or worship Satan. Here’s their branding problem, right there Answered before you asked: > [@Rhodes](#): > > If a Church of Compassion and Rationality offered their services, no one would notice. But if the same church is called The Satanic Temple, then you start to hear Christians insist on needing separation of church and state. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/127 "2024-04-10T16:18:03Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Did not know that. Likewise, quite a lot of the founding fathers were ambivalent-to-hostile about Christianity as a foundation of government. Quoth James Madison: > During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. There are lots and lots of quotes like this in the writings of the founding fathers. Your belief that America was founded as a Christian nation is an **invention of Christians** to justify weakening the first amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/128 "2024-04-10T16:21:11Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > It’s all well and good to have rights. Until they compromise mine. That’s a nice paraphrase of the 4th tenet of The Satanic Temple: > [@TST](#): > > THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS > > **I** > > One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. > > **II** > > The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. > > **III** > > One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. > > **IV** > > The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own. > > **V** > > Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs. > > **VI** > > People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. > > **VII** > > Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/129 "2024-04-10T16:22:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Your belief that America was founded as a Christian nation is an **invention of Christians** to justify weakening the first amendment. A-fuckin’-men. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/130 "2024-04-10T16:32:52Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Maybe Satanic groups could take on health care issues. That would help their branding and help get the healthcare crisis in the news. Win win. We operate a telehealth clinic, and are looking to open another. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/131 "2024-04-10T16:40:10Z")
Got a number for that? I know someone who could use it. (I’m kidding, but if they do, they need to advertise, I suggest a name change😉) ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/132 "2024-04-10T16:43:06Z")
> **[TST Health | Telehealth Religious Abortion Care from The Satanic Temple](https://www.tsthealth.org/)** > > TST Health provides free religious telehealth medication abortion care, courtesy of The Satanic Temple, and is the first telehealth clinic providing free religious medication abortion care. The idea is that if certain types of healthcare are illegal in some places, and if religions are allowed to do things that are otherwise illegal, then maybe certain types of healthcare can be performed during a religious ritual. And the clinic is hilariously named Samuel Alito’s Mom’s Satanic Abortion Clinic. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/133 "2024-04-10T16:45:58Z")
> [@bump](#): > > So yeah, poking organized religion in the eye by actively pissing them off, in the case of the Satanic Temple. You’re still missing the point. If organized religion would stay in its lane and not try to foist its silliness in schools, laws, town halls, etc., the Satanic Temple wouldn’t even exist. > [@bump](#): > > I’ll amend my previous statement- it’s a branding issue brought on by a lack of sincerity. I feel like _real_ Satanists would be something different than the Satanic Temple, and the Satanic Temple screws up their message and stunts by using the Satanic branding. The Pastafarians are essentially doing the same thing, but in a way that doesn’t try and ironically co-opt elements of Christianity. The lack of sincerity is the point, since they are a bunch of atheists. The Pastafarians do it to make fun of religion, but the Satanic Temple is doing what they do in order to stop religion from encroaching on the rest of us. Pastafarians: Religion is dumb, our religion is dumb, but not any dumber than Christianity. Satanists (from the Satanic Temple): Your religion should stay out of the public sphere, but if you insist on putting it into the public sphere, we insist that we get equal access; not so great when it’s not a religion you agree with, huh. Regular satanists, who actually worship some supernatural entity, are off-topic for this thread (other than the continued evidence of a branding issue). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/134 "2024-04-10T16:46:18Z")
The reason for the name has already been posted here, and explained thoroughly on their website. Btw, do you have any other evidence that this country was founded on Christianity now that your “dollar” example has been disproven? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/135 "2024-04-10T16:54:15Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Ok. Did not know that. [Are you familiar with Joe McCarthy and the HUAC hearings?](https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/education/presidential-inquiries/house-un-american-activities-committee) Because the campaign to add “Under God” to the money was a direct result of the anti-Communist paranoia of the time, a paranoia which destroyed the lives and livelihoods of hundreds of innocent Americans. These sorts of “minor” violations of the first amendment rarely arrive on their own: they’re almost always paired with serious attempts at excluding some group of non-Christians (or, occasionally, the wrong _kind_ of Christian) from society. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/136 "2024-04-10T17:49:10Z")
Well, there’s the Declaration of Independence. “Natures God” and all. Sounds pretty much Christian to me. I’m not saying I’m ok with it. That it’s in there, for all to see. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/137 "2024-04-10T18:03:26Z")
What, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Zoroastrians don’t believe in Nature’s God? I belive the term is deistic. Sure there’s a creator but not one specific to any religion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/138 "2024-04-10T18:07:29Z")
It is most definitely deistic, and not a reference to a god worshiped by Christian sects. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/139 "2024-04-10T18:11:07Z")
Are you saying that you are _not_ o.k. with it? Because so far you have done a pretty good job of putting forth long-debunked arguments used by some Christians to defend their encroachments on the separation of Church and State. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-satanists-have-a-branding-issue/1000031/140 "2024-04-10T18:11:20Z")
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