# Do SDMB Republicans agree that Obama is to blame for Trump rally violence? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 14, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017 "2016-03-14T22:30:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/41 "2016-03-16T17:08:37Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Generally-speaking, close the doors, order everyone to clear the building, pull any permits that had been issued, block the streets, turn the usual Chicago building inspectors loose in the building (there are always building code violations to be found). Cite that the mayor of Chicago has the power to close any doors he sees fit, order anyone out of any buildings he sees fit, pull any permits as he sees fit, block any streets as he sees fit, and conduct building inspections with no notice on any structure as he sees fit? I was unaware Chicago mayors had all of these powers! ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/42 "2016-03-16T17:17:29Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Political, yes. But this seems to be more than just political. You keep insinuating that, yes. Got any evidence, reasoning or compelling argument to back it up? Anybody can accuse anyone of anything. Doesn’t make it so. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/43 "2016-03-16T17:36:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cite that the mayor of Chicago has the power to close any doors he sees fit, order anyone out of any buildings he sees fit, pull any permits as he sees fit, block any streets as he sees fit, and conduct building inspections with no notice on any structure as he sees fit? I was unaware Chicago mayors had all of these powers! A few years back Chicago hired some bulldozers and demolished an airport in the middle of the night because some people didn’t like having that airport there that had been there for a long damn time. Funded by the FAA. Nobody even caught shit for it, much less got fired or gawd forbid actually went to jail. Chicago is America’s Beirut of politcians do what frack they want IMO. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/44 "2016-03-16T17:39:30Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > You keep insinuating that, yes. Got any evidence, reasoning or compelling argument to back it up? > > Anybody can accuse anyone of anything. Doesn’t make it so. J’accuse!! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/45 "2016-03-16T17:40:17Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > A few years back Chicago hired some bulldozers and demolished an airport in the middle of the night because some people didn’t like having that airport there that had been there for a long damn time. Funded by the FAA. Nobody even caught shit for it, much less got fired or gawd forbid actually went to jail. > > Chicago is America’s Beirut of politcians do what frack they want IMO. If true, I’m surprised to see **doorhinge** advocate lawlessness. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/46 "2016-03-16T18:06:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If true, I’m surprised to see **doorhinge** advocate lawlessness. Look up Meigs Field. Or maybe it is Miegs Field. I forget. I just know if I took a dozer to an airfield in the middle of the night…my ass probably wouldn’t ever see the light of day again. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/47 "2016-03-17T05:49:00Z")
My ass never sees the light of day either. And all I do is keep my pants on when I’m outdoors. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/48 "2016-03-17T12:17:38Z")
My ass might START seeing the light of day IF I went to jail… ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/49 "2016-03-17T15:00:05Z")
For historical purposes - > [@doorhinge](#): > > Overriding public safety concerns. For historical purposes - > [@doorhinge](#): > > Generally-speaking, close the doors, order everyone to clear the building, pull any permits that had been issued, block the streets, turn the usual Chicago building inspectors loose in the building (there are always building code violations to be found). > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cite that the mayor of Chicago has the power to close any doors he sees fit, order anyone out of any buildings he sees fit, pull any permits as he sees fit, block any streets as he sees fit, and conduct building inspections with no notice on any structure as he sees fit? I was unaware Chicago mayors had all of these powers! Hahahaha. Cite that I said the Mayor of Chicago has the power to close any doors he sees fit (without reason). These aren’t amateurs. A legal reason can be found. Rahm didn’t require a reason to close the Trump rally. Trump closed the Trump rally to avoid any violence from the hundreds of protesters who intended to stop free speech. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/50 "2016-03-17T15:22:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If true, I’m surprised to see **doorhinge** advocate lawlessness. I’m not surprised that you’re surprised. Where did I advocate lawlessness? Are you and I reading the same thread? As far as the 2 AM destruction of Meigs Field is concerned - \*In 1994, Mayor Richard M. Daley announced plans to close the airport and build a park in its place. Northerly Island, where the airport was located, was owned by the Chicago Park District which refused to renew the airport lease in 1996.[10] The city briefly closed the airport from the expiration of the lease in October 1996 through February 1997 when pressure from the state legislature persuaded them to reopen the airport.[11] In 2001, a compromise was reached between Chicago, the State of Illinois, and others to keep the airport open for the next twenty-five years. However, the federal legislation component of the deal did not pass the United States Senate. In a controversial move on the night of Sunday, March 30, 2003, Mayor Daley ordered city crews to destroy the runway immediately by bulldozing large X-shaped gouges into the runway surface in the middle of the night.[12] The required notice was not given to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) or the owners of airplanes tied down at the field, and as a result sixteen planes were left stranded at an airport with no operating runway, and an inbound flight had to be diverted by Air Traffic Control, because of equipment scattered on the runway. The stranded aircraft were later allowed to depart from Meigs’ 3,000-foot (910 m) taxiway.[13] “To do this any other way would have been needlessly contentious,” Daley explained at a news conference Monday morning, March 31.[14] Mayor Daley defended his actions, described as “appalling” by general aviation interest groups, by claiming it would save the City of Chicago the effort of further court battles before the airport could close. **He claimed that safety concerns required the closure** , due to the post-September 11 risk of terrorist-controlled aircraft attacking the downtown waterfront near Meigs Field. …On July 28, 2003, an aircraft flying to Oshkosh, Wisconsin from Maine to the Experimental Aircraft Association Annual Convention _made an emergency landing on the grass_ next to the demolished Meigs Field runway.[23] Mayor Daley accused the pilot of intentionally landing in order to “embarrass” him, despite the FAA’s statement that the pilot “did the correct thing” in landing the plane at Meigs.[24] After effecting electrical repairs, the plane safely took off and continued to Oshkosh.\* (That Mayor Daley, what a character. How dare a pilot make an emergency landing on “HIS” island when the pilot had Lake Michigan to crash into.) > **[Meigs Field](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field)** > > Merrill C. Meigs Field Airport (pronounced /mɛgz/, formerly ICAO: KCGX, FAA LID: CGX) was a single-runway airport in Chicago that was in operation from 1948 to 2003, when it was bulldozed overnight by then-mayor Richard M. Daley. The airport was located on Northerly Island, an artificial peninsula on Lake Michigan adjacent to downtown Chicago, the second-largest business district in the Western Hemisphere\[citation needed\]. By 1955, Meigs Field had become the busiest single-strip airport in the... ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/51 "2016-03-17T15:48:17Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Blaming Obama is silly. > > But blaming the Left makes perfect sense, because conservatives aren’t out in force trying to disrupt Sanders or Clinton rallies. It’s the usual liberal suspects who can’t just relax, shut up and let their enemies speak. I haven’t seen any evidence that protesters have stopped Trump from speaking. He seems to be speaking just fine. Admittedly he cancelled a rally before anything actually happened but the protesters didn’t make him do that. > [@](#): > > Leftists go to Trump rallies looking for trouble, and not surprisingly, they find it. No, it’s not surprising that they find trouble at Trump rallies, in the same way one finds sand at a beach. Let’s explore: Person A says something hateful. Person B gets angry and shouts at Person A. Person C punches Person B for shouting at Person A. Under what appears to be the current conservative narrative, Person B is entirely at fault for both his actions and the actions of Person C. Persons A and C are blameless. Does that sound about right? > [@](#): > > Bernie Sanders was welcomed politely by students at Liberty University. Think Ted Cruz could get a similarly respectful hearing at Cal Berkeley? Not a chance. Ah, the “my hypothetical proves you’re a hypocrite” argument. Always a good one. I seem to recall Rand Paul did just fine at Howard not that long ago despite being a patronizing git. Oh, and question: who are these people who are likely to cause “riots” if Trump isn’t given the nomination (according to Trump)? Which leftist faction do they belong to? And who would they be trying to “silence” or “disrupt” by doing so? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/52 "2016-03-17T16:00:30Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Cite that I said the Mayor of Chicago has the power to close any doors he sees fit (without reason). These aren’t amateurs. A legal reason can be found. If a legal reason can be found, so can a cite. > [@](#): > > I’m not surprised that you’re surprised. Where did I advocate lawlessness? Are you and I reading the same thread? I asked by what legal mechanism the Mayor could do this, and you responded “Generally-speaking, close the doors, order everyone to clear the building, pull any permits that had been issued, block the streets, turn the usual Chicago building inspectors loose in the building (there are always building code violations to be found).” Those are not legal mechanisms. Again, by what legal mechanism can the Mayor do any of these things? If you’re just guessing, then that’s fine, but I wouldn’t expect anyone to be convinced by guesses. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/53 "2016-03-17T16:23:06Z")
What part of for public safety do you not understand or are you just arguing just because you disagree with him politically? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/54 "2016-03-17T16:47:08Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > What part of for public safety do you not understand or are you just arguing just because you disagree with him politically? Mayors can close down any private event they want for “public safety”? Do you have a cite? That’s what I’m asking for – I was unaware that mayors had this power. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/55 "2016-03-17T19:33:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Mayors can close down any private event they want for “public safety”? Do you have a cite? That’s what I’m asking for – I was unaware that mayors had this power. Da Mayor closed Meigs Field because he claimed that safety concerns required the closure. I’m sure I read that somewhere in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/56 "2016-03-17T19:45:53Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Da Mayor closed Meigs Field because he claimed that safety concerns required the closure. I’m sure I read that somewhere in this thread. What legal mechanism did he use for this? Or are you asserting that mayors don’t need a legal mechanism to close things down for generic safety concerns? I’m just wondering what law allows mayors to do this. If there is none, then I guess such action is lawless, and I’m surprised that you would advocate such a lawless action. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/57 "2016-03-18T15:39:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What legal mechanism did he use for this? Or are you asserting that mayors don’t need a legal mechanism to close things down for generic safety concerns? > > I’m just wondering what law allows mayors to do this. If there is none, then I guess such action is lawless, and I’m surprised that you would advocate such a lawless action. I have not advocated Da Mayor’s action. Which could explain why you are surprised. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/58 "2016-03-18T16:44:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I have not advocated Da Mayor’s action. Which could explain why you are surprised. You said that you blamed Rahm for the violence, and that Rahm could have shut it down himself (through a nebulous, apparently lawless mechanism). ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017/59 "2016-03-18T21:22:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I cannot fathom any reasonable connection between anything President Obama has done and the incidents of violence associated with Mr. Trump. Well, he did get elected President while being black. Twice! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-sdmb-republicans-agree-that-obama-is-to-blame-for-trump-rally-violence/749017.md?page=2)