I’d say that most residents of Sullivan, Ulster and Dutchess counties don’t associate themselves with upstate. Upstate = Canada border or rednecks (no offense to that poster (can’t remember which) that throws a tizzy every time someone calls hicks rednecks). Even those in Delaware, Greene and Columbia are distinct from those way out in Eerie or Clinton. That’s why the whole concept of ‘downstate’ exists–to distinguish between The City, downstate (still within a couple hours of civilization), and upstate (those who are closer to Canada or the midwest than NYC).