# Do the police ever kill some of those "battle-ready" private citizens standing in a group? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 6, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-the-police-ever-kill-some-of-those-battle-ready-private-citizens-standing-in-a-group/727199 "2015-08-06T23:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-the-police-ever-kill-some-of-those-battle-ready-private-citizens-standing-in-a-group/727199/141 "2015-08-24T19:23:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think the question is whether those unarmed people that weren’t breaking the law would have been shot if they were in fact armed. Especially if they were armed in larger numbers. You already know the answer - [No](http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-investigate-cliven-bundy-2014-5). Now, maybe if they’d been _black_ … ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-the-police-ever-kill-some-of-those-battle-ready-private-citizens-standing-in-a-group/727199/142 "2015-08-24T19:32:21Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > “Committing antics while white” > > Why is it called “antics” for some people and for others it’s: “He was reaching for something” or “He refused to obey a lawful order” (to explain why they are dead)? Look, it’s real simple. It’s treasonous sedition when a Negro does it, it’s brazen unlawfulness when a Chinaman does it, it’s mob rule when an Eyetalian does it, and it’s antics and states’ rights when a good old boy does it. There’s well settled science on this : egregious disregard of law = melanin \* crime². ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-the-police-ever-kill-some-of-those-battle-ready-private-citizens-standing-in-a-group/727199/143 "2015-08-24T19:52:48Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Look, it’s real simple. It’s treasonous sedition when a Negro does it, it’s brazen unlawfulness when a Chinaman does it, it’s mob rule when an Eyetalian does it, and it’s antics and states’ rights when a good old boy does it. > > There’s well settled science on this : egregious disregard of law = melanin \* crime². > **[A year after armed standoff, Cliven Bundy still star of his own Tea...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/cliven-bundy-standoff-grazing-rights-nevada-ranch)** > > His Nevada ranch was the scene a year ago of a showdown over grazing rights with federal agents, who stood down after he was backed by a gun-toting ‘citizen militia’ from across the US. Today he’s yet to pay any fees and says: ‘We might be the freest... It ended after officials withdrew, fearing a bloodbath. Many assumed it would be a fleeting, pyrrhic victory for Bundy until authorities found another way to tame him. But this week, 14 months later, his 500-strong herd grazed as normal, as chickens clucked in the yard – and the feds were a memory. “From the moment that they left, we have felt freedom on this ranch,” said Bundy, 69, seated in his rambling wooden home, the porch draped in US flags. “We might be the freest place on earth.” He has not seen a single federal official or vehicle on his 600,000-acre property, which sprawls 80 miles north of Las Vegas, and feels no pressure to pay a cent of the $1.2m, he said. A banner on the highway proclaims “freedom” and “liberty”, followed by a sign indicating “Bundy melons”. A surge in beef prices to a five-year high has brought more good news for Bundy, a registered Republican. He is using the bonanza to make improvements to his property. “I’m operating the ranch as normal, still producing red meat – steaks and hamburgers. That’s what I do.” His victory is a coup for the radical, gun-toting anti-government fringe which championed him as a symbol of defiance to Washington authority. ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-the-police-ever-kill-some-of-those-battle-ready-private-citizens-standing-in-a-group/727199/144 "2015-08-24T21:29:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I had a bunch of responses for all the wrongness in Gent’s posts but I see he has been banned without anyone repeating his wrongness so I will just point out youa re wrong. > > You are only 1800 times more likely to be shot during an arrest in the USA than in Norway. I assume its because your cops are just really bad shots 😃 Heh, I realized that after going to bed. I had hoped no-one would spot it:) However, I take comfort in the fact that while I am wrong and my numbers should be 1800 times, as you have posted, you are wrong and your numbers should have been 180 000 times, like I posted. 🙂 This is because I was talking about shots fired, something that happened twice last year, out of 376 000 registered crimes, you are talking about people shot, something that happens only every ten years or so. So my number should be 1800 and yours 180 000. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-the-police-ever-kill-some-of-those-battle-ready-private-citizens-standing-in-a-group/727199.md?page=7)