# Do today's NYT puzzle **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 21, 2005, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446 "2005-07-21T11:00:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/1 "2005-07-21T11:00:10Z")
This Thursday puzzle’s going to spawn a whole lot of imitators, so you might as well get in on the ground floor and solve it. By Patrick Bindauer. (I resisted the temptation to get cute - which would give it away.) ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/2 "2005-07-21T11:36:20Z")
I’ll make sure to pick it up and give it a go. Thanks for the heads up. I usually don’t get Thursday’s times. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/3 "2005-07-21T13:46:05Z")
Very fun! A bunch of nice clues – and a nice theme that I’ve never seen before. I give it two snaps up. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/4 "2005-07-21T16:17:12Z")
One word of caution to those who don’t normally to the NYT CW: By Thursday, you need at least an hour and 20 minutes to finish. On preview, I just checked the Times website, online puzzlers:#1 Finished in 57 minutes, #5 Finished in 1:45, and #10 Took 2:49 ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/5 "2005-07-21T16:19:23Z")
Heh. I was bothered that it took me 15 minutes. Of course, I had to stop and talk to someone for a few minutes in the middle of it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/6 "2005-07-21T19:00:36Z")
36 - and I was #251 on the “Play against the clock” site when I finished. But then, I cheat on Thursdays. I liked the “Preschoolers?” clue. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/7 "2005-07-21T21:37:56Z")
I already admitted it takes me over an hour on Thursday. Fridays drive me insane & Saturday’s I don’t even bother. But nfter today’s puzzle, I feel even more stupidZ P V C S P L F U I F D P E F ??? This is a simple cipher? Shift which letter where? ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/8 "2005-07-21T21:49:58Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > I already admitted it takes me over an hour on Thursday. Fridays drive me insane & Saturday’s I don’t even bother. But nfter today’s puzzle, I feel even more stupidZ P V C S P L F U I F D P E F > ??? > This is a simple cipher? Shift which letter where? Please check your email. I’m not very good at spoliers. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/9 "2005-07-21T21:59:11Z")
. **JohnBckWLD** … Neither one of us would have done too well at Bletchley Park in WWII. Nevertheless, you might want to try **The Code Book** , by Simon Singh. Hell of a read! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/10 "2005-07-21T22:00:27Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > I already admitted it takes me over an hour on Thursday. Fridays drive me insane & Saturday’s I don’t even bother. But nfter today’s puzzle, I feel even more stupidZ P V C S P L F U I F D P E F > ??? > This is a simple cipher? Shift which letter where? I’m good at spoilers. One letter back. What I’m not good at is having the newspaper handy. Is this puzzle available on line? ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/11 "2005-07-21T22:08:08Z")
**kaylasdad99** As far as I know, you have to suscribe to the NYT puzzle service. And that’s like $35/year. But I understand there are ways… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/12 "2005-07-21T22:37:02Z")
Never mind, then, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2005, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/13 "2005-07-21T22:38:27Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Never mind, then, I guess. Try checking you email. ---
**Author:** ![Hooleehootoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eada6e/32.png) [@Hooleehootoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hooleehootoo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/14 "2005-07-22T17:32:03Z")
what number puzzle are you talking about? The one I have reprinted in the SD Union Tribune says it is for 7/22/05, #0609 ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/15 "2005-07-22T17:37:16Z")
Yesterday’s; No. 0721. (The Union runs them a month and a half late???) ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/16 "2005-07-22T17:41:50Z")
As far as I know, the NYT doesn’t number its puzzles - in the Times itself. Look at 1 Across in your puzzle. The clue in the puzzle we’re talking about is is: **Car that made its debut at the 1964 New York’s World Fair** And the clue for 38 Across is: **See 19- and 58- Across** Clear? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/17 "2005-07-22T17:52:19Z")
Actually, they do, **E** honey – look right below the bottom right-hand corner of the diagram. ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/18 "2005-07-22T17:57:38Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Actually, they do, **E** honey – look right below the bottom right-hand corner of the diagram. oh. :o Hmmm, but it was worth the embarrassment to get and “ **E** honey” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/19 "2005-07-22T18:23:10Z")
Anyone want to spoilerbox the theme for those us unlikely to get the paper or online version? thanks, brian ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446/20 "2005-07-22T18:34:02Z")
See Kaylasdad post with spoilers. Oh Lord, **please** make mine work. [spoiler]Read the second line in his first spoiler. That’s the theme. Solve the line above it. That’s the McGuffin, or whatever the hell.[\spoiler] [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-todays-nyt-puzzle/313446.md?page=2)