Do we care more for animals than battered women?

First Google search, 2nd hit, 2nd listed statistic.

And if the OP had included that link (I notice you did not), I wouldn’t have needed to ask for a cite. It’s even worse than he says, BTW, so it would have helped his case.

The OP still hasn’t made any good argument that this is actually a problem, BTW.

Here’s the link:

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/facts.htm

Thanks for the link.

I note the cite is 23 years old but I’ll take it as a working estimate.

Still doesn’t say anything about whether or not this is a problem.

This cite from NNEDV (warning:large PDF) claims 1920 shelters nationwide in 2010

This cite from ASPCA claims 5000 animal shelters nationwide. They take about 7M animals a year.

Well, that’s a rather fact-free post full of hot-air and stereotypes.

It was mentioned in the first sentence of my first cite. Did you read the articles I linked?

You typically can’t just take a woman into your home to shelter her.
Women have more, and more complicated, rights under the law than animals.
There are many more societal taboos against helping a woman than an animal. It’s called Getting Involved.
You can end up with the woman herself beating on you, as well as her batterer, if you Get Involved.

We do care more for battered animals than battered women. Especially chickens! :slight_smile:

According to the first linked article, that is exactly why women’s shelters are not getting enough donations. It’s the old “Why doesn’t she just leave?” argument. But as we’ve discussed many, many times on this board, it’s usually not that simple. So the problem is, I believe, one of awareness.

In fairness, I did not read them. A summary would have been helpful.

I also note that the stats used in both articles are more than 2 decades old - the difference has in fact increased on both an absolute and percentage scale. That still doesn’t indicate the money is being allocated poorly. Donating to one does not mean it was stolen from the other.

You might want to.

That’s the thing, though, it’s not being allocated. A lot of animal shelters get state funds. Women’s shelters often have to rely on donations. And a lot of people won’t donate because they don’t understand the seriousness of the situation. “That doesn’t happen to people like me” and Why doesn’t she just leave" are the most common reasons given.

I read them after I was called out on it.

This wiki article says that about half of the funding for women’s shelter’s comes from the Federal government. The article goes on to say that many states cut funding, which seems to imply a large amount of funding came from the state budget in addition to the federal budget.

Animal shelters, on the other handare generally funding by county/city government or privately.

This still doesn’t indicate to me that money is misallocated. We need domestic abuse shelters (for both men and women, although the past few google searches I’ve made seem to indicate women are doing better than men in this regard). We need animal shelters. They may both be underfunded. The fact that one gets more than the other doesn’t mean this is necessarily a problem.

Animal shelters exist primarily to ensure that unwanted animals don’t wander the street, if they get too crowded, it’s euthanasia time.

Battered women shelters exist so that women who WANT to leave have a place to go.

Is there some evidence that significant numbers of women who WANT to leave have nowhere to go? There is plenty of evidence that there are millions of cats and dogs being killed every year because animal shelters are overpopulated.

I’ll also add that you can’t really get past the fact that the women must WANT to leave, because no town is going to hire a “Lady Catcher” to round up all the women who belong in the shelter.

Maybe a more useful metric would be how many are turned away from shelters. I’m having a hard time finding statistics for that. I read that 59% of women and children are turned away from shelters (not sure if that’s homeless or battered.) Many animal shelters will take all comers, but a staggering amount of those animals are euthanized.

Not sure how relevant this is, but I have a homeless friend who sleeps in a shelter. (Or as she calls it, her island home.) She says that often men are turned away while there are empty beds in the women’s area.

I don’t know what you mean by significant, but this article addresses your question quite nicely.

Really? How many shelters are there for men then?

Good article! In the case of the article cited, two counties share a battered womens shelter that only has 16 beds. I dont know the population of those counties, but sixteen beds is not much.

I agree that there are shortages of both types of shelters, but its depressing how detatched people are from helping other human beings (vs say plants/animals). In a way abused women suffer many parallel stigmas that drug addicts have- The mistaken belief that there predicament is their choice, the belief that helping only encourages the behavior, and the the naivety in thinking “that would never happen to me/my family”

What?

I think most people look at it like they look at Alcoholism - even if we “know” in theory it is “not their fault” - many think at least partially it is.

I realize the analogy isn’t perfect.

Animals there is literally nothing the animal can do.

I think the comparison - while not totally uninteresting - isn’t really a good one.

I suspect - even if you looked at the population of battered women - you’d find more donating to animals than to battered women shelters. I am completely pulling that out of my ass, but that would be my guess.

That looks like a harder question to answer, but the best I can come up with is 1 to 4 per state, and it’s closer to 1 in most cases. Some states don’t have any.