This is one of those sentences, like, “I’m not racist” and “I’m really smart,” that are rarely said when they’re actually true.
It’s like people can’t read the poll numbers I post. 66 percent want to ban all abortions after 20 weeks (I believe that’s in addition to those who want to ban them earlier than that). I will bet you anything that if and when this Senate bill gets polled, it will get even more support than that. When almost all Senate Democrats vote for something that is overwhelmingly rejected by the public at large, that’s not a good look for us.
Yes. Yes, exactly. THAT is their job. Not to wander haplessly into Republican traps so they can get portrayed on local news here in Minnesota (and presumably across the “Northern Path” Democrats must retake) as ghoulish abortion extremists who aren’t content with just abortion on demand but want to move on to infanticide. Keep the messaging on OUR turf.
“Mom! Dad! I got an F minus on my social likability test!”
Granted, you fucked up the only link to polls that I found in the previous thread (this post), and you haven’t repeated any link here. But that link you fucked up shows that
Maybe you should read your own links–and post them correctly!–before you whine about people not reading them.
If there’s a different poll you posted that you’d like us to look at, which one?
For others who are interested, Here’s a good roundup of polls on abortions. Search for “weeks”.
You can cherry-pick a poll from 2014 and misread its results to get the number Slacker claims. But he is, of course, misrepresenting the gist of polling on the subject.
I don’t think it’s deliberate.
Lazy Lebowski quotes really improve my opinion of you. No, really.
I’m not misrepresenting anything, and my link works just fine. It really is like it’s invisible to you. Try looking again at post 48 in this thread, describing (and linking to a writeup of) a Marist poll conducted in…wait for it…February 2019. Maybe if you stare at it really hard this time, it will get through your thick skull. :dubious:
Also, what does “all or most” abortions mean to you? Which abortions would you be okay with prohibiting? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Thanks for the link. I looked at all the results from 2018 or 2019. The numbers for “Abortion should always be legal” varied from 21 to 27 percent. A lot of people, perhaps most Democrats, but very far from a majority. And then there was the CBS News poll, which happened to be the last one I was going to look at as it was conducted in January 2018. Here’s the question wording:
The first option garnered 45%, the second 32%, and the third 21%. Now, I know you’d like to spin that as “77 percent support abortion, la la la everything’s fine.” But in fact what it shows is that only a minority of respondents think abortion should be “generally available”, while a majority would like to restrict it more than it is already restricted at the moment. Whereas the energy in the Democratic Party is toward loosening the restrictions that exist in many states. Which I’m not necessarily against across the board, but you’ve got to stop with this Pollyanna shit and acknowledge that you’ve got the public against you when it comes to later term abortions (not just the last trimester but after 20 weeks).
It never does.
Regards,
Shodan
It’s always easiest to assume one’s own arguments, logic, and position are perfect, and anyone who disagrees is just too stupid (or otherwise incapable) to understand. The difficulty comes in trying to understand why others might reasonably have disagreements.
Shodan,
Do you agree with SlackerInc that people of African American descent are much less likely to be intellectually capable?
Manda, not sure you are “steelmanning” my thesis there. :rolleyes: Why don’t you link to one of my posts and ask about that? Just, you know, if you actually want to be fair and honest. (You did at least invite me to this thread instead of talking about me behind my back like everyone else apparently was.)
This is hilarious. Care to link to the posts where you demonstrated this ability? :dubious:
What ability? Trying to understand why others disagree? That’s not an “ability”, that’s a decision. I want to understand why others disagree, and usually the answer is not as simple as “they’re just too stupid, or too stubborn, etc.”. So I try to dig and ask, and usually start from an assumption of good faith disagreement, and I only abandon that if it’s become clear as crystal to me that it’s impossible. And I’ll note that there’s only a very small number of Dopers (and neither you nor Shodan are among them) who I don’t believe usually argue in good faith, even as I have harsh criticisms for both of you.
I actually didn’t invite you into this thread, though I also don’t consider it behind your back.
And no, I don’t want to engage with you on this. If you feel I’ve mischaracterized your position, you’re free to clarify.
Oh, that’s rich. “I don’t want to engage you, I just want to mischaracterize your stances. You can clean up the mess.” :rolleyes:
I’ll just make a blanket statement: if someone makes a claim about something I have supposedly said, but does not actually cite a post, take it with a grain of salt. Same if they take snippets of stuff I said out of context without linking to the post it was taken from.
What in the actual fuck is wrong with you? Do you have any empathy at all for other human beings?
You keep mixing up statistics. You grab a number talking about “late term abortions” here, another number regarding “twenty weeks” there, whatever makes your point. Newsflash: this bill has NOTHING to do with late term abortion. It has to do with babies that are born with some kind of life sign, even if they’re born naturally but are sick for other causes.
And despite your posturing, I DON’T believe that all abortions should be legal. Once you’re in the third trimester, you shouldn’t be having an abortion unless it’s to save the life or health of the mother, or possibly other rare cases. But this law is NOT about that, as you would know if you bothered to learn about it. And yeah – your ignorance is power because most people are ignorant – that’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard to justify anything. The solution there is to educate people, not shove your head up your own ass and surrender to the republicans.
As I said, I don’t believe abortion should always be legal, so if you’re done playing with your straw man, we can get back to the discussion at hand. Did you read any summary of the law involved? Because if so, you’d either comprehend that what your Minnesota media is reporting is totally dishonest, because this isn’t what the law is about, or you would ignore the facts and keep spewing your bullshit, because you are just a concern troll. So which is it?
You don’t stand by and let evil laws pass, either. And the public is 3 to 1 against third trimester abortions, as am I, but this law HAS. NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. THIRD. TRIMESTER. ABORTIONS.
For anyone so inclined, here is SlackerInc’s first post in the “Bell Curve & Sam Harris” thread, where he spends many posts explaining how black people are genetically less intelligent than whites (but he can’t be racist, because Asians are better than whites!). I wouldn’t recommend reading it, it’s long and pretty gross, but… he asked for a cite.
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20157644&postcount=48
Just curious, why did the majority of squatters get fed up with you? What specifically was it about you that teed them off, or have you even reflected on that yet?
I guarantee you that conservatives will make a lot of noise about it, just like they have over the past several decades. That’s one reason why higher-IQ conservatives don’t want to overturn Roe v Wade, because they know the second they do they won’t have shit else to talk about on the matter.
But as for the issue itself, abortion is now, and always has been, mostly a local issue for local voters. It doesn’t really move the needle nationally one way or the other, which isn’t to say that it can’t be a factor - it could in a close race. But if Democrats talk about economics and all of the myriad other things that people are really worried about, they will have done their job.