# Do we have any experts in IPA? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 5, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522 "2009-02-05T03:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/1 "2009-02-05T03:39:13Z")
I have goofed around with my dictionary, but I feel very unsure about this. A Mexican lady in class said /d3ir/ in lieu of /jir/ and now I have to type that fact. Is “d3” an APA symbol? (Did i sleep that soundly in class?) Do I use a slash in front of and behind and IPA citation? Speak slowly, I am feeling very dumb this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/2 "2009-02-05T03:55:24Z")
You mean dz with the z that does look like a three. Presuming you mean dz as in John, that is. I don’t have it on my keyboard either, but there will be a keyboard shortcut or c&p image you can use. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/3 "2009-02-05T04:02:21Z")
Here you are: dʒ Oh and yes, use slashes on either side. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/4 "2009-02-05T04:14:09Z")
Third reply in a short time, because I can’t edit: use i: instead of i because the vowel sound should be long. (And you should use the two tiny triangles instead of two dots in the colon). ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/5 "2009-02-05T04:30:46Z")
Rats - nothing here about India pale ale. ---
**Author:** ![sundog66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@sundog66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sundog66)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/6 "2009-02-05T05:19:20Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > Do I use a slash in front of and behind and IPA citation? For what you’re doing, it seems like you would want to use square brackets: [dʒir]. Slashes are standardly used when doing a phonemic rather than a phonetic transcription. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/7 "2009-02-05T06:39:33Z")
Wiki on this affricate: [Voiced postalveolar affricate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_postalveolar_affricate) You should avoid using the numeral 3 in this context because it looks too much like [the symbol for a particular vowel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_central_unrounded_vowel) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/8 "2009-02-05T12:13:48Z")
Thank you all. It has been years since I have done this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/9 "2009-02-05T12:21:20Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > Rats - nothing here about India pale ale. Well, at least you weren’t beaten to the punch by eight hours. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/10 "2009-02-05T12:21:56Z")
So now it says she said [dʒir]instead of [yir]. Is [yir] in proper notation? ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/11 "2009-02-05T17:37:17Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > So now it says she said [dʒir]instead of [yir]. > > Is [yir] in proper notation? You are talking about the word year, yes? That’d be [ji:r] ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/12 "2009-02-05T18:15:05Z")
(the [y], if you’re curious, is a [vowel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_front_rounded_vowel) in IPA.) ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/13 "2009-02-05T18:41:48Z")
If you pronounce the r like most Americans do, the IPA phonetic transcription would be [jiːɹ], I believe. The symbol [r] in the IPA represents a trilled r like you would find in a Scottish accent. Phonemic transcription systems are more variable. One possibility is /jir/. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/14 "2009-02-06T02:38:58Z")
Thank you all. I have discovered that [Dictionary.com](http://Dictionary.com) will show IPA notation in a format that can be cut and pasted. Wonderful. Thank you all. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/15 "2009-02-06T03:34:54Z")
If you’re interested in actually typing any of the IPA without a hassle, check out [www.sil.org](http://www.sil.org) and download their tools for that. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-experts-in-ipa/484522/16 "2009-02-06T03:45:08Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > Thank you all. I have discovered that [Dictionary.com](http://Dictionary.com) will show IPA notation in a format that can be cut and pasted. If you have MS Word you can use the insert\>symbol menu to put in many IPA symbols.