# Do we have any self-proclaimed liberals who own guns on the board? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 24, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-self-proclaimed-liberals-who-own-guns-on-the-board/710783 "2015-01-24T19:18:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-self-proclaimed-liberals-who-own-guns-on-the-board/710783/121 "2015-01-27T22:14:25Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Nice. No competetive shooting here, other than annual rifle/pistol qual. I can put a man down at 500 yards with an M-16. Been following this thread just out of interest, but I had to interject: I can’t even _see_ a man at 500 yards! Which, of course, is why I’m much more proficient with handguns than rifles! ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-self-proclaimed-liberals-who-own-guns-on-the-board/710783/122 "2015-01-27T22:36:46Z")
I forgot to say in my earlier post that I have had a concealed carry permit for many years but almost never bother actually lugging one around. It’s a PITA. The last time I carried, for a week or so, on and off, was because I got a new handgun and holster and wanted to break the holster in (like breaking in a new pair of shoes) and to get a feel for the rig as a whole. Once that was accomplished it went back in the safe except for the occasional shooting session. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-self-proclaimed-liberals-who-own-guns-on-the-board/710783/123 "2015-01-28T13:32:19Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Been following this thread just out of interest, but I had to interject: I can’t even _see_ a man at 500 yards! > > Which, of course, is why I’m much more proficient with handguns than rifles! I was shooting at paper targets - this was on qual days. [Here’s a picture showing the three targets used for USMC rifle qualification](http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrTcXNI48hUST0AVLKJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIyNDEyamw2BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM5MDQxZjNmZDVkMDAwODc0MWRlYTE0OGRiYzM5MjU1MwRncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?.origin=&back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dusmc%2Brifle%2Bqualification%2Btarget%2B500%26fr%3Dipad%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=1024&h=645&imgurl=i841.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz337%2FR0N_photos%2Ftable1targets-1.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m4carbine.net%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D99159%26page%3D3&size=54.7KB&name=%3Cb%3Emarine+corps%3C%2Fb%3E+table+1+%3Cb%3Etargets%3C%2Fb%3E&p=usmc+rifle+qualification+target+500&oid=9041f3fd5d0008741dea148dbc392553&fr2=piv-web&fr=ipad&tt=%3Cb%3Emarine+corps%3C%2Fb%3E+table+1+%3Cb%3Etargets%3C%2Fb%3E&b=0&ni=21&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11mciseut&sigb=13ntuhohu&sigi=120r95r73&sigt=11aiu2qmu&sign=11aiu2qmu&.crumb=qsKyWK5sOsB&fr=ipad&fr2=piv-web). At 500 yards, that target (on the far right) can be completely hidden behind the front sight post of the M-16. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-self-proclaimed-liberals-who-own-guns-on-the-board/710783/124 "2015-01-28T13:42:13Z")
Interesting back-and-forth about the accuracies of the M-14 and M-16. From Wikipedia’s page on the M-14, > [@](#): > > The (M-14) rifle remains in limited service in all branches of the U.S. military as an accurized competition and sniping weapon. > > _(snip)_ > > The M14 serves as the basis for the M21 and M25 sniper rifles. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-self-proclaimed-liberals-who-own-guns-on-the-board/710783/125 "2015-01-28T14:50:28Z")
[http://www.chuckhawks.com/camp\_perry.htm](http://www.chuckhawks.com/camp_perry.htm) From a guy who attended Camp Perry and likes .30 caliber. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-have-any-self-proclaimed-liberals-who-own-guns-on-the-board/710783.md?page=6)