# Do we really want a Mad Max 4? (spoilers for 1, 2 and 3) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 24, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096 "2003-06-24T18:31:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RawkStah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@RawkStah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RawkStah)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/21 "2003-06-27T20:30:08Z")
Well, I see that George Ogilvie is not involved. I read some book on sci-fi cinema back in college. (Don’t recall the title or author). The author was of the opinion that Thunderdome sucked because George Miller didn’t have total control over the project. So, along with kingpengvin’s suggestion, it COULD work. However, I have a feeling that it won’t. Mad Max is cool, but not, you know, Indiana Jones cool. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/22 "2003-06-27T20:47:01Z")
I _might_ watch. The third one was weak but had its moments; it could have been much worse. ---
**Author:** ![Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krisfer_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2003, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/23 "2003-06-28T05:10:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kingpengvin \* > \*\* > Gibson can act so I can’t see it a problem there. \*\* Uh huh… long as he plays Mel Gibson he can. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2003, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/24 "2003-06-28T06:26:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Krisfer the Cat \* > \*\*Uh huh… long as he plays Mel Gibson he can. \*\* Actually, Gibson is one of the few movie stars these days who can genuinely act, which many people overlook _because_ he’s a movie star. Do you really think the character he portrayed in _Lethal Weapon_ is substantially similiar to the one he played in _Braveheart_? Or _Conspiracy Theory_ (very underrated movie, btw.) Or _Signs_? Or _Hamlet_? ---
**Author:** ![Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krisfer_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2003, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/25 "2003-06-28T15:31:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\* Do you really think the character he portrayed in _Lethal Weapon_ is substantially similiar to the one he played in _Braveheart_? Or _Conspiracy Theory_ (very underrated movie, btw.) Or _Signs_? Or _Hamlet_? \*\* Ummm yeah I do. The only good acting I saw with Braveheart was the interviews where he tried to convince people that that pseudohistorical pice of horecrap was serious accurate history. Hamlet: well if mumbling and running around with a scowl make great acting then my Husband could get an Oscar in that one! Havent seen Signs, I have decided I wasted enough of my hard earned cash on Gibson’s pompous, overblown opinion of himself … and hell “Mel Gibson saves the world” we’ve already seen it. ---
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/26 "2003-06-28T22:29:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sir Rhosis \* > **^^^I think the poster meant his location, not the end of time.** :smack: :smack: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Keith\_Berry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/22d042/32.png) [@Keith\_Berry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keith_Berry)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/27 "2003-06-29T04:45:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RawkStah \* > **Well, I see that George Ogilvie is not involved. I read some book on sci-fi cinema back in college. (Don’t recall the title or author). The author was of the opinion that Thunderdome sucked because George Miller didn’t have total control over the project.** Actually, Thunderdome was exactly what Miller wanted; his intention was to end the series on a positive note, though he did hire another director to shoot the dramatic scenes. This Mad Max 4 business is just overkill. The series has been dead for years, dead for years. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/28 "2003-06-29T13:23:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RawkStah \* > **Well, I see that George Ogilvie is not involved. I read some book on sci-fi cinema back in college. (Don’t recall the title or author). The author was of the opinion that Thunderdome sucked because George Miller didn’t have total control over the project.** I think that was _The Primal Screen_ by John Brosnan. The way I remember it, it wasn’t actually Brosnan’s opinion but that of one of his interviewees. I could be totally wrong though, because I seem to remember Brosnan saying Miller was dead by the time _Beyond Thunderdome_ was being made, and Miller appears to be very much alive. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/29 "2003-06-29T14:59:10Z")
^^^If memory serves, wasn’t one of the major co-producers (Terry ??) killed while scouting locations (crashed helicopter, died of his injuries awaiting rescue) for **Thunderdome**. Perhaps that is who you are remembering the author referencing. Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![raygirvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac91a4/32.png) [@raygirvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raygirvan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/30 "2003-06-29T18:48:29Z")
**kingpenvin** _Now hold on there is always potential so long as it is done right._ Sorry to come into this late - but I agree. One aspect no-one’s so far mentioned is that Miller was heavily into the archetypal hero myth (the Campbell Cycle), which does have four phases. The final quadrant involves the hero’s homecoming, city-founding, and ultimate (perhaps sacrificial) death. It would fit in with the progressing themes of the first three movies, where we have parallel threads of the state of the world and Max’s moral state. #1 Civilisation breaks down. Max also breaks down and is reinvented as the Road Warrior. #2 Barbarous aftermath. Max behaves bravely but cynically. #3 Primitive societies begin to emerge. Max develops altruism. and then perhaps #4 Civilisation is re-established, but is threatened. Max, now fully restored to human feeling, defends it via his own sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![Roadwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@Roadwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadwalker)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/31 "2003-06-29T22:42:40Z")
I love all 3 films each in a different way. BT is the only one I was able to see in a theatre. MM4? I’m there, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/32 "2004-07-09T22:41:35Z")
In a [previous thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=193119&highlight=gibson), **raygirvan** said “#4 Civilisation is re-established, but is threatened. Max, now fully restored to human feeling, defends it via his own sacrifice.” I had an idea of how that could work. In the years since we’ve seen Max, he has rejoined civilization and joined a paramilitary police force. But all is not well in civilization. The trouble starts with one person feeling disenfranchised, then another, and another. They eventually form their own society, one bent a coup d’état but they employ tactics not unlike the gangs Max had to deal with in the wasteland. The leader of the paramilitary force is killed during a skirmish and Max, being the most experienced, is pressed into taking his place. Will he simply wipe out the rabble? Or will Max realize that the rabble’s reason for existance is based on a lie and try to make peace? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2004, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/33 "2004-07-09T22:48:15Z")
Damn! That was supposed to have been the first post in a new thread! ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2004, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/34 "2004-07-09T23:10:41Z")
> [@raygirvan](#): > > and then perhaps > > #4 Civilisation is re-established, but is threatened. Max, now fully restored to human feeling, defends it via his own sacrifice. Actually, the inside scoop is that it’s gonna be: #4 Civilization is re-established, and the ruling authorities capture Max, mercilessly whip him with the fan belt of an '82 Oldsmobile Firenza for four hours, and then the actor who played “Mini-me” will disembowl him. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/35 "2004-07-10T02:36:36Z")
#4 Mad Max and the Battle to Defeat Starbucks. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096/36 "2004-07-10T03:07:01Z")
I want a FiFi movie. I love FiFi. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-we-really-want-a-mad-max-4-spoilers-for-1-2-and-3/184096.md?page=1)