Yeah, that’s not how that works. All of those things have physical locations and sources. We have cloud computing and wireless internet, but they all come from someplace. This is like saying TV is evidence of “non local consciousness” because the signal magically goes from the transmitter to your TV set across town.
There is nothing magical about the spiritual dimension. It has its own laws of operation like anything else. But I don’t want to keep explaining what is not in your world yet.
But in your world, you’re like an Albert Schweitzer, right?
Don’t worry: you haven’t explained anything.
I really don’t suppose there’s much point in asking you to actually produce links to such research?
I’m a computer designer, so I can answer this one. First, it is not true that computers are useless without application software. In the good old days they came with basically nothing - and you wrote it yourself - just like a child learning.
But today even the bare hardware comes with a bunch of prewired firmware in ROMs and stuff. My old PDP-11 came with a boot loader in firmware, now there is tons of stuff. That corresponds to evolution pre-wiring the brain, because it is damn useful for any newborn to be able to do more than sit like a lump. Tiny puppies know how to eat, for instance.
As we grow each of us gets different experiences and learning, just like each computer probably has a slightly different set of programs over its life.
Evolution. Hundreds of millions of years of evolution selecting for useful genetically derived pre-programming.
This is classic “God of the Gaps” reasoning. We don’t know the details of how consciousness works yet, therefore it must be Magic! :rolleyes:
My purpose is to ask if a soul goes some where then where does life go? and where would the life go, or be different than a soul in an animal or plant?
Heaven, Nirvana, Valhalla, the Spirit World all name the place souls are created, and to which they return when finished with the physical world. We were created in the spirit world and come into the physical to learn about ourselves. In the spirit world there are no good and evil, hot and cold, light and dark, etc. We come into the physical to gain knowledge of what and who we are. Here there are comparisons to help us. This is the world of duality. All things have souls or spirits. They go were we do but have different levels. I know there will be much trashing of this, but I saw it personally. It is perfect logic.
This is fairytale nonsense.
Do you understand the difference between fact and opinion?
On first glance I thought that post began “Heaven, Vanilla,” and it makes just as much sense that way.
It would not be expected to make sense to those who have not seen.
“Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe.” – Jesus
“…for they shall receive the Brooklyn Bridge.”–Czarcasm
I like that version. Unlike this other stuff, it makes sense.
I assume that you have not been following this thread in its entirety, or you would have recognized the irony of your post.
For one thing, nobody has said science has failed; what has been said it that the quality of scientists and the work they produce has gone into a steady decline.
On the points raised in this thread, I have been saying from the beginning that the answer to the questions posed here lies in more research. However, the most vocal voices opposing more research are the cheerleaders for science.
These cheerleaders are the ones who push the belief that “science” already has all the answers, and “nothing to see here”.
It is the cheerleaders who push the belief that “we don’t have the answers” but “we know that we are right” constitutes an adequate response to the fundamental questions of biology, while vehemently refusing to even consider any hypothesis that challenges their cherished view of the world.
In other words, in this thread, it is the cheerleaders for science who are the most anti-scientific.
I have noticed that as the discussion has progressed, the screams of “nothing to see here” from the cheerleaders are becoming more shrill.
In fact they remind me a lot of a religious cult whose members are going into a panic as their cherished beliefs are more and more being exposed to ridicule.
It is the supreme irony that “science” has taken on many of the characteristics of a fundamentalist religious cult.
Really? I haven’t noticed anyone actually saying this, but if they have perhaps they can give some evidence for it.
Given limits on money available for science, research only gets funded if there is some reasonable chance that something will come of it. Given the zero useful results from spiritual “research” funded by things like SPR, this isn’t likely. Even more telling, the research that has been done on the brain, which should reveal some soul-like stuff, is actually finding physical tie-ins with more and more mental states, like empathy.
You think consciousness is a fundamental question of biology? Given the complexity of the brain, and the difficulty of getting access, it is hardly surprising we don’t have an answer yet. It is hard enough to figure out what is going on inside a chip, even when we have full schematics and can drill holes in it without worrying about malpractice suits. And the most complex chip is still much simpler than the brain, and more cleanly designed.
It is your belief not a fact,you have no proof so until you do. it is a moot answer. A person can have a personal dream,or hallucination, but that doesn’t make it a fact, You want this to be true, so you accept your own thinking as the whole truth, that is how I see it. It wasn’t so long ago you were worried sick about Demons running everything, It looks like you want a dream to be true or a thought you have, and if that is a help to you then keep it,but I doubt that it has any weight with anyone ( or very few others who would like it to be true).Because you think it is logical doesn’t make it so.
You don’t know if Jesus really said that ;it was written by someone who said he said it. And that is no proof either. It is true there are people who are happy in not knowing the truth (which I was taught that Blessed means happy). A child is Happy to believe that Santa will bring him/her toys,and some like one of my grandchildren was angry at her parents for lying to her about there being a Santa Clause.
I don’t believe you are really interested even though you ask questions. If you wanted to know you would read the research. By the way you can’t know God does not exist. People who say they are atheists are only guessing. It is a strange world. People do know what they experience and I am sure you believe what you experience. But all will find out in the future, some take longer than others. But now it is hopeless.