# Do you believe the Steele dossier? Do you think Trump got peed on? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 16, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509 "2018-04-16T14:51:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/21 "2018-04-16T17:39:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > There is no evidence so far that it is true, nor any that it is false, so far. It is thus unproven. The only thing we have at this point is the [reported testimony](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/359657-ex-trump-bodyguard-trump-was-offered-women-in-russia-but-offer-was) from Keith Schiller (Trump’s Bodyguard) that: > [@](#): > > A. a Russian offered to “send five women” to Trump’s hotel room on his 2013 visit to Moscow but was turned down. > > B. Schiller said he stood outside Trump’s hotel room for a period of time after Trump went to bed alone, and then went to bed himself. And then [Comey saying](http://abcnews.go.com/Site/transcript-james-comeys-interview-abc-news-chief-anchor/story?id=54488723) that Trump told him: > [@](#): > > he’d never stayed overnight at the hotel, he’d just changed clothes there and went to the Miss Universe pageant. It appears that at least one of these guys is either misremembering it, or outright lying about it… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/22 "2018-04-16T17:40:38Z")
It is somewhat unlikely that 100% of the dossier is true, but I believe the majority of it will eventually be proven true. Maybe 80% will be proven true, 15% not proven either way, and 5% will be proven false. I’m sure Steele did the best he could, but there is the possibility that some of his sources could have been mistaken, exaggerated, or outright lied. As far as the pee goes, I believe it happened. It isn’t that he has urolagnia, the key thing in this story is that it was on a bed that Obama slept in. In Donald’s sick mind, Obama tainted the White House by being black, and this urinating where he slept was a bit of catharsis for him. It was almost like a ritual to exorcise the black demon from leaving his personal essence at that particular spot. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/23 "2018-04-16T17:55:48Z")
It certainly possible. Trump is an immature bully, and he would see this as an attack on Obama. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/24 "2018-04-16T18:55:18Z")
Also, it’s entirely possible that the hookers and/or their Russian intelligence pimp were the once to suggest the pee pee show. Russian intelligence is famous for using compromising videos to embarrass/blackmail targets and they are also famous for collecting intel on anyone who might have value. Trump as a rich and prominent American business man would certainly qualify. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/25 "2018-04-16T19:08:54Z")
“Don’t try nothing funny, have film of you with duck.” ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/26 "2018-04-16T19:30:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I…don’t want to know about the “lawn darts thing”. I do! ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/27 "2018-04-16T19:48:24Z")
My personal (unproven) belief is that the sexual blackmail the Russians have on Trump involves Trump sleeping with underage girls, sleeping with unwilling girls and/or sleeping with a girl who is dressed up to look like Ivanka. Peeing on the bed is probably the least of his worries in his sexual life. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/28 "2018-04-16T19:53:09Z")
I believe it because it’s plausible, but I also don’t care because his personal morals, fetishes, and peccadilloes are not relevant to his job. What IS relevant is his capacity to set up an administration that allows him to execute the duties of his office efficiently and without meaningful distraction. He has not been too successful at that, and it is for that I fault him. > [@Biffster](#): > > Better to be pissed off than pissed on, I always say. Or pissed _in_, because then you know you’ve been screwed! ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/29 "2018-04-17T16:46:46Z")
That he has used hookers in his life? Possible, though I doubt it’s been terribly difficult for him to get sex for free (or, at least, a good dinner). That he got peed on in this specific instance? Doubt it. According to Wolff’s book, he didn’t know what a “golden shower” was. He had vanilla sex according to Stormi. Plus I don’t think one would ask the FBI to investigate it if it actually happened. That’d be like me going to the FBI and saying “Hey, can you look into the rumor that I’ve ever copied a VHS tape of Show Girls? I’d really hate to get that maximum 5 years of prison and/or $250K fine.” ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/30 "2018-04-17T18:38:43Z")
What’s the difference between a garbanzo bean and a chickpea? Trump has never had a garbanzo bean on his face. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/31 "2018-04-17T18:57:40Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > That he has used hookers in his life? Possible, though I doubt it’s been terribly difficult for him to get sex for free (or, at least, a good dinner). Being able to “get sex for free” has nothing—zero—to do with whether someone is likely or unlikely to have hired a sex worker. There are also folks who bring up such an argument in rape cases. Same thing there—whether or not you can “get sex for free” has no bearing on whether it’s likely or unlikely that you raped someone. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/32 "2018-04-17T18:59:02Z")
> [@blood63](#): > > …Have you ever been peed on? What did you get out of it? I feel like most are ignoring this part of the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/33 "2018-04-17T19:09:10Z")
At this point, yes, I think Trump had the nice Russian ladies pee on the bed that Obama slept in. I believe Trump is that petty and vindictive. > [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@blood63](#): > > > > Have you ever been peed on? What did you get out of it? > > I feel like most are ignoring this part of the OP. Imagine that. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/34 "2018-04-17T19:19:30Z")
Well, there’s the whole, “I’d let her pee on my face just so I can see where it comes from” thing. See also: Hot Lunch. Never was interested in either, but I’m a pretty dull guy. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/35 "2018-04-17T19:26:48Z")
No. Stormy Daniels is one thing, but this seems to be out of character for him ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/36 "2018-04-17T19:50:58Z")
His character is that he does whatever he wants with the belief that he is immune fr many accountability. There’s certainly nothing we know about him that makes this story unlikely, not even his supposed status as a germophobe, which we really only have his self-serving word for. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/37 "2018-04-17T20:15:16Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > I believe it because it’s plausible, but I also don’t care because his personal morals, fetishes, and peccadilloes are not relevant to his job. I care inasmuch as I believe we the public should know if there is significant potential that our president may be blackmailed, now or in the future. That is a serious goddamn situation. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/38 "2018-04-17T20:20:10Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > I care inasmuch as I believe we the public should know if there is significant potential that our president may be blackmailed, now or in the future. That is a serious goddamn situation. I considered that. But the man seems to have no shame so I’m not sure the morality scandals could leverage him. His financial dealings, on the other hand, could maybe leverage him. And I do care about that stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/39 "2018-04-17T20:20:43Z")
I can imagine it happening even if he is a germaphobe. It all depends on what was the last advice he heard right before the episode. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/40 "2018-04-17T21:18:24Z")
The point is surely that if true, it would absolutely have been set up and filmed. That’s the problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509.md?page=3)