# Do you believe the Steele dossier? Do you think Trump got peed on? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 16, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509 "2018-04-16T14:51:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/61 "2018-04-19T13:58:08Z")
“Have you ever been peed on?” No. The Steele Dossier had a lot to say about Trump’s sexual activities in Russia. Here are all the comments about sex and Trump: [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html) "Former top Russian intelligence officer claims FSB has compromised TRUMP through his activities in Moscow sufficiently to be able to blackmail him. According to several knowledgeable sources, his conduct in Moscow has included perverted sexual acts which have been arranged/ monitored by the FSB" and "However, there were other aspects to TRUMP’s engagement with the Russian authorities. One which had borne fruit for them was to exploit personal obsesslons and sexual perversion in order to obtain suitable ‘kompromat’ [compromising material] on him. According to Source D, where s/he had been present, (perverted) conduct in Moscow included hiring the presidential suite ofthe Ritz Carlton Hotel, where he knew President and OBAMA {whom he hated] had stayed on one ottherr orhcial trips to Russia, and deriling the bed where they had slept by employing a number of prostitutes to perform a ‘golden showers’ (urination) show in front of him. The hotel was known to be under FSE control with microphones and concealed cameras in all the main rooms to record anything they wanted to. The Moscow Ritz Carlt involvin TRUMP re orted above was confirmed by who said that s/he and several ofthe Staffwere aware ofit att time and subsequently. S/he believed it had happened in 2013. Source provided an introduction for a company ethnic Russian operative to Source F, a female staffer at the hotel when TRUMP had stayed there, who also confirmed the story. Speaking separately in lune 2016, Source [the former top level Russian intelligence officer) asserted that unorthodox behavior in Russia over the years had provided the authorities there with enough embarrassing material on the now Republican presidential candidate to be able to blackmail him if they so wished" and “Finally, regarding claimed minimal investment profile in Russia, a separate source with direct knowledge said this had not been for want of trying. previous efforts had included exploring the real estate sector in St Petersburg as well as Moscow but in the end TRUMP had had to settle for the use of extensive sexual services there from local prostitutes rather than business success.” and "DIVEYKIN discusses release of Russian dossier of’kompromat? on TRUMP’s opponent, Hillary CLINTON, but also hints at Kremlin possession ofsuch material on TRUMP" and "However, the Kremlin of?cial close to S. added that s/he believed DIVEYKIN also had hinted (or indicated more strongly) that the Russian leadership also had ?kompromat? on TRUMP which the latter should bear in mind in his dealings with them." and “Russians apparently have promised not to use ?kompromat? they hold on TRUMP as leverage, given high levels of voluntary co-operation forthcoming from his team” and “4. Finally, the ?migr? said s/he understood the Kremlin had more intelligence on CLINTON and her campaign but he did not know the details or when or if it would be released. As far as 'kompromat? (compromising information) on TRUMP were concerned, although there was plenty of this, he understood the Kremlin had given its word that it would not be deployed against the Republican presidential candidate given how helpful and co-operative his team had been over several years, and particularly of late.” and " Summary - Two knowledgeable St Petersburg sources claim Republican candidate TRUMP has paid bribes and engaged in sexual activities there but key witnesses silenced and evidence hard to obtain - Both believe Azeri business associate of TRUMP, Araz AGALAROV will know the details Detail 1. Speaking to a trusted compatriot in September 2016, two well-placed sources based in St Petersburg, one in the political/business elite and the other involved in the local services and tourist industry, commented on Republican US presidential candidate Donald prior activities in the city. 1. Both knew TRUMP had visited St Petersburg on several occasions in the past and had been interested in doing business deals there involving real estate. The local business/ political elite figure reported that TRUMP had paid bribes there to further his interests but very discreetly and only through affiliated companies, making it very hard to prove. The local services industry source reported that TRUMP had participated in sex parties in the city too, but that all direct witnesses to this recently had been ?silenced? i.e. bribed or coerced to disappear. 2. The two St Petersburg figures cited believed an Azeri business figure, Araz AGALAROV (with offices in Baku and London) had been closely involved with TRUMP in Russia and would know most of the details of what the Republican presidential candidate had got up to there." I do believe Trump was involved with some kind of sexual thing in that room, but I think he likely just had a private lesbian sex show that included a urination portion. I would think that if a “Golden Shower” was to be performed by (at least) two prostitutes in a fancy hotel room, the performers would also likely have brought along some supplies such as a tarp or some kind of sheeting so that the hotel staff didn’t have to handle urine soaked bedding and/or a ruined mattress, or perhaps they would perform the show in the showerstall of the restroom. Leaving a mess like that behind, especially ruining a bed, would not be appreciated by an upscale hotel during a busy time (the pageant) and prostitutes who would want to return to the hotel in the future wouldn’t want to draw the attention of hotel staff is this negative way. Another thing I found interesting was Trump’s non-denial/denial of this event in his interview with Ainsley Earhardt [https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/trump-offers-odd-denial-of-pee-pee-gate-i-was-never-even-in-that-room-for-that-period-of-time/](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/trump-offers-odd-denial-of-pee-pee-gate-i-was-never-even-in-that-room-for-that-period-of-time/) “It’s made up. Never existed. Never happened,” Trump continued, speaking specifically about the unverified report regarding the prostitutes. “And the reason I say that so strongly because nothing is ever going to show up. There’s never going to be a tape that shows up. There’s never going to be anything that shows up. Now, I would be very embarrassed if a tape actually showed up, saying something like that. It would be double embarrassed because I’m saying there is no tape. There is no event. I was never even in that room for that period of time.” Trump’s bodyguard, Keith Schiller, told Congress that had an offer to have five women to come to Trump’s room that night but that Schiller declined the offer. As I understood his story, the offer was made by an unnamed Russian person to Trump with Schiller present, but that Schiller declined the offer. That has always struck me as odd- that Schiller would answer for Trump with Trump standing right there- but perhaps as a bodyguard, Schiller was suspicious of the offer so intervened on Trump’s behalf. Shiller said he discussed the offer with Trump (and laughed about it) as they both walked to their rooms to go to bed. Schiller has said the stood outside Trump’s door for a while (why?) and has also said that they parted (and that he did not stand outside the door for a while?). Trump has variously said he slept in the room and also that he only changed clothes in the room and then went out to a party. Honestly, Trump lies so much that at this point he would have to say he DID have a Golden Shower sex party that night to make me think he didn’t do it! And, looking at the Steele Dossier again now, after so much has been found out to be true, is pretty amazing. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/62 "2018-04-19T15:23:47Z")
“It never happened because no tape is ever going to show up” is not the way causality traditionally works in cases like this, is it? ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/63 "2018-04-19T15:52:51Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “It never happened because no tape is ever going to show up” is not the way causality traditionally works in cases like this, is it? It’s a basic tenet of quality systems, if it wasn’t documented, it didn’t happen. Applies to child/spousal support payments, too, so that’s probably where he got it. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/64 "2018-04-19T15:54:51Z")
I can’t believe that with this in hand, Comey decided to leak the emails on Weiner’s computer. ---
**Author:** ![blood63](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@blood63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blood63)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509/65 "2018-04-19T16:51:21Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, there are actually people who consider it merely “likely” that Trump has hired prostitutes? I would have thought that that was on the level of “Do you think that the sky is blue?”. > > To the question of whether Trump specifically had prostitutes pee in a bed, and that the Russian government has tapes of it, I think it’s highly likely, for four reasons: First, it’s clear that Putin has some sort of leverage over Trump, and it’s not for anything that Trump is willing to talk about. Second, it’s such an odd story that it’s hard to imagine where it would have come from if it weren’t true: If someone were making it up from whole cloth, they’d be more likely to claim that it was underage hookers, or hookers who were dressed up as Ivanka, or even that they did pee on Trump himself (which is at least a fetish that some folks are known to have). Third, having someone pee in a bed just because Obama slept there once is exactly the sort of petty, stupid, nonsensical thing that Trump would do. Fourth, because when he was asked about it, Trump’s response was entirely based on “There’s no tapes of that!”, not anything like “Why would anyone do something so stupid?”. > > And yes, if it happened, then there are videos of it, because of course Putin’s Russia is going to secretly tape any VIP staying there, and of course they’re going to use anything juicy they might find as blackmail. From what I know about Putin, this is how he works. Misinformation, distortion, confusion. This is exactly the kind of twisted rumour that his group would come up with and cleverly leak. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-believe-the-steele-dossier-do-you-think-trump-got-peed-on/812509.md?page=3)