Do you care about whether the Wright brothers were the first to perform powered flight?

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Sorry, you are right. It’s been a long time since I looked through the facts and now feel foolish to make this mistake.

It was a flight prior to 1908 which was the time of the worldwide acceptance of the Wright’s claim to controlled flight following numerous flights in France. It should be obvious that these impressive flights were not made with a machine taking to the air for the very first time.

I’m essentially repeating what others have said.

I have no personal stake in who first flew an airplane. It has no real impact on my life. If somebody could produce evidence showing that it wasn’t the Wright brothers, I would find that interesting rather than disconcerting.

But I oppose the way most conspiracy theorists operate. They don’t offer evidence. They mostly dispute the existing evidence and claim that it was fabricated in order to support some lie. And I strongly oppose this. If we start accepting the idea that evidence doesn’t matter and we can dismiss any evidence we don’t like, we open the door for all kinds of craziness. And some of that craziness will have real world consequences.

It can be amusing when some nuts tell you the Wright brothers’ flight was faked or that Bigfoot is real. It’s not amusing when a large number of nuts tell you that Covid is fake and they won’t wear a face mask in public.

FWIW, the first detailed & fully accurate published account of a flight by the Wright brothers was written by A.I. Root and appeared in the January 1905 edition of his magazine Gleanings in Bee Culture. It described a flight by Wilbur on Sept 20 1904, in which he made a full circle and landed near his starting point.

Root had offered this article to Scientific American, but they declined to publish it.

Ah, Brazil. A natural wonderland with a proud and varied people. Wonderful place! Spent a lot of time there. However, despite the local’s friendly and welcoming disposition, they seem to have a vastly over-blown sense of Self-Importance.

Claims I heard while down there include the “First In Flight” thing, as well as inventing Coca-Cola, Levi’s, Adidas (I fell for that one. Seemed legit at the time) and … Chevrolet.

First in Flight is on my NC plate.

In 2 weeks I will have dinner at the building in Kitty Hawk where they sent the telegraph saying they flew. It was a lifesaving station back then. It’s now the Black Pelican.

https://www.blackpelican.com/

The only reason for me to care is if Gustave Whitehead is proven to be first, it means that Connecticut can seize the “first in flight” motto from North Carolina.

And that makes them different from every other society how? :smiley:

Yeah, this. I have no great emotional investment in the Wright Brothers being first, so I don’t actually care about proving that or not, but I do care about why someone else is so invested in it that they are going out of their way to disprove their claims. What is their motivation? In my experience, CT beliefs are almost always motivated by something untoward.

I grew up near Dayton Ohio, I believe the telegram was sent there. Lot’s of people from Dayton consider Ohio to be first in flight due to the Wrights being from there and they argue that NC was just a testing location that had little to do with the first flight, they went for the wind and sand. It was engineered in Dayton damnit! And the first man on the moon Neil Armstrong grew up nearby. I know, but people get attached to their hometown heroes legacy.

So even among people who agree that the Wrights were the first there is still an ongoing friendly back and forth between Ohio and NC about the meaning of first flight. So I just say engineered in Dayton and successfully tested at Kittyhawk and accept beers from both sides.

That’s why Ohio plates say “Birthplace of Aviation”.

Kitty Hawk aside, most of their flights were out at Huffman Prairie in Dayton. The National Parks system museum we visited said people used to go out there and watch them fly around.

Nobody will ever convince me that the Wright brothers were the first to fly their new-fangled “flying machine” to the moon. That’s just what “They” want all us fools to believe. Wake up, sheeple!

Perhaps a real-life version of Russia in Star Trek? :slight_smile:

You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon.

I think the “caring” part is largely a matter of national pride. There’s probably little doubt that the Wright brothers were the first to achieve controlled powered flight, but I suspect the support for it would be less emphatic were it not for the fact that the competing claims come from other countries.

We see this same phenomenon with respect to the invention of the telephone. Canada lays claim to it because Alexander Graham Bell immigrated to Canada and conducted his pioneering experiments in Brantford, Ontario. The US lays claim because he finalized his experiments both in Boston where he was teaching as well as in his laboratory in Brantford, ultimately acquiring a US patent. Personally I’m happy to give the credit to Bell wherever he may have lived (his early work actually originated in Scotland), or to Elisha Gray, for that matter.

True. Even if everybody agrees that the Wright Bros were first, the Buckeye’s and the Tar Heels will still argue over who gets credit for it.

Consider the source. A magazine about bees? Everyone knows bees can’t fly. So by extension, neither could the Wright brothers!

Not all societies are the same in this respect. I’m Australian with Kiwi roots and I don’t think either country has a view that we are a Big Deal. I think some countries have particular chips on their shoulders. Brazil is a big country that has never really punched its weight on the world stage and I suspect they resent it.

But to get back to the OP, I’m not particularly invested in the first flight thing but I’ve spent far too much of my life arguing because “someone is wrong on the internets!” (mostly on these boards). It’s just recreation really.

Plus I’m pathologically, tediously obsessed with facts and logic to the point of being a bore. And I don’t say that as a stealth boast. It doesn’t help my life.

They have represented quite well on the Formula One blotter.