# Do you consider the 1996 movie 'The Rock' to be a James Bond movie **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [April 22, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374 "2025-04-22T18:48:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/21 "2025-04-25T21:54:48Z")
Perhaps Mason was an ancestor of Zed, or Zed was a reincarnation of Mason? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/22 "2025-04-25T22:39:34Z")
Zed’s dead baby. Zed’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/23 "2025-04-25T22:48:52Z")
No one thinks that instead of Marko Ramius getting to live out his life peacefully after handing over the Red October, they locked him up? You can’t let a Scottish/Lithuanian defector just go anywhere. I mean, listen to his accent. It sounds exactly the same as Mason’s. That can’t be coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/24 "2025-04-25T23:10:10Z")
Great minds, and all that 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/25 "2025-04-26T00:48:50Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > No one thinks that instead of Marko Ramius getting to live out his life peacefully after handing over the Red October, they locked him up? You can’t let a Scottish/Lithuanian defector just go anywhere. Except the _Red October_ incident happened in 1983 and Mason clearly isn’t twelve years older than the already quite senior Captain Ramius. Notwithstanding, of course, the distinct physical similarity and accent to the 14th century Franciscan friar William of Baskerville. It’s all Immortals, all the way down. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/26 "2025-04-26T00:53:12Z")
_The Rock_ is not a James Bond movie because it does not have anyone named James Bond in it, it does not conform to the formula of a James Bond movie plot structure, and the only thing it really has going for it is it has Sean Connery in it, who was probably the dream cast while the script was being written so it was played to his strengths. If you want to believe the character is a retired James Bond go ahead, but even if he is, that does not make it a James Bond movie. ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/27 "2025-04-26T06:55:33Z")
Exactly. James Bond would not be incarcerated for 30 years. He wasn’t even that inept in _Goldfinger_. (Seriously, go back and watch that again, he is useless in that film. But still gets away with it) ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/28 "2025-04-26T15:53:44Z")
Well, he does rape Pussy Galore out of her lesbianism. So…that. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/29 "2025-04-26T22:03:51Z")
I don’t even think _Never Say Never Again_ is a Bond film. Bond parody, yeah, maybe. And 1967’s Casino Royale defintely isn’t. The Rock? Mmm, I can see it. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2025, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/30 "2025-04-26T23:31:26Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > don’t even think _Never Say Never Again_ is a Bond film. [_White Lightning_](https://youtu.be/X6W6_LYgK90?si=L-pld_VGs3mNmA04) is more of a Bond film than _Never Say Never Again_. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374/31 "2025-04-27T22:11:08Z")
Actually The Rock is a sequel to Rising Sun. After ditching his Japanese girl friend John Connor was finally apprehended for his role in the death of one of the body guards of Sakamura. Though now that I think of it, Ramirez from The Highlander did marry a Japanese princess so that might be why he was so purportedly so knowledgeable of Japanese culture, throwing in a few errors to keep the Kurgan off his scent… I think the highlander theory is the one that makes the most sense after all! `//i\\` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-consider-the-1996-movie-the-rock-to-be-a-james-bond-movie/1017374.md?page=1)