# Do you feel proud for threatening a 15-year-old? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 26, 2006, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353 "2006-04-26T20:11:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/1 "2006-04-26T20:11:23Z")
Not really a Pitting as much as general mockery and jeering of this week’s pack of mouth breathers: > [@](#): > > [**Animation Producer Gets Ugly Slurs**](http://progressive.org/mag_mc042406) > > Ava Lowery is a fifteen-year-old who lives in Alabama. She calls herself a peace activist, and for the past year, she’s been producing her own short animations on her website, [peacetakescourage.com](http://peacetakescourage.com). All in all, she’s made about seventy of them, she says, and most of them oppose Bush and his Iraq War…She submitted one of her latest creations, “WWJD,” to the monthly “contagious” contest that [huffingtonpost.com](http://huffingtonpost.com) is running. (It’s an open contest that ranks the number of viewers for each submission.) > > …“It’s people like you who need to fucking die and get raped while your corpse rots in the sun,” said one e-mail Lowery shared with me. “Fuck you, I would jack off on your parents if I could. If you don’t like the team, get out of the park. That means take ur small dick and get the fuck off of my homeland you faggot chocolate gulper.” > > “You are a TRAITOR to your country and should be executed for treason,” another one said. “All you do is bitch about the US. If you hate it so much, why don’t you GET THE FUCK OUT.” > > “Why don’t you go masterbate [sic] to a pic of Sheehan and fuck off,” said a third. :wally I guess it’s easier to anonymously beat up a 15-year-old girl than to hop on the next flight to Iraq and blow up some brown people… ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/2 "2006-04-26T20:16:45Z")
[QUOTE=rjung] I guess it’s easier to anonymously beat up a 15-year-old girl than to hop on the next flight to Iraq and blow up some brown people… [/QUOTE] One ad hominem deserves another, eh **rjung**? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/3 "2006-04-26T20:17:12Z")
And now I go and :smack: myself for screwing up the coding. Can a passing mod fix that for me, _s’il vous plait?_🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/4 "2006-04-26T20:18:28Z")
I liked this comment by one of her defenders: > [@someone who is not too bright](#): > > let me make this simple for you. any American who threatens another American fo dissenting view, is unAmerican, a traitor to his/her country and should be marched off into the Atlantic. The Internet: collecting all the world’s stupidity in one convenient location. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/5 "2006-04-26T20:26:24Z")
[QUOTE=rjung] And now I go and :smack: myself for screwing up the coding. Can a passing mod fix that for me, _s’il vous plait?_🙂 [/QUOTE] Not a mod, but I reported your post so someone can fix it. As for the OP, that’s pretty heinous but sadly, so not surprising. People are fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/6 "2006-04-26T20:26:32Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] One ad hominem deserves another, eh **rjung**? [/QUOTE] What? He’s right, it’s a lot easier! (“chocolate gulper”?) ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/7 "2006-04-26T20:30:58Z")
Just wrote her a note of support from one Alabamian to another. Can’t hurt, right? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/8 "2006-04-26T20:31:52Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] One ad hominem deserves another, eh **rjung**? [/QUOTE] It’s the least I can do. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/9 "2006-04-26T20:38:52Z")
I’ve not looked at the girl’s cartoons, frankly they’re irrelevant. For pity’s sake, I wish more people would remember that “Freedom of speech” means that they can anything they like as long as they’re not inciting riot. And none of the descriptions of her cartoons cross that line. Dissent, and lively dissent, is a sign of a healthy democracy. > [@](#): > > “Here in America, where we have the Freedom of Speech.” - Dick Smothers > > “And you’d better damn well say what you’re s’posed to say.” - Tom Smothers I wish more people recognized that was meant to be ironic, not serious. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/10 "2006-04-26T20:45:58Z")
She’s 15 and against the war. We’ll all just have to forgive her if her worldview isn’t as subtle and nuanced as our own. Besides, keeping a web site up with your photo on it AFTER having received death threats does take balls. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/11 "2006-04-26T23:42:59Z")
[QUOTE=OtakuLoki] I’ve not looked at the girl’s cartoons, frankly they’re irrelevant. [/QUOTE] Just a minor nitpick. At least the one I looked at isn’t what I’d typically think of when I hear the word “cartoon”. It was pretty disturbing stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/12 "2006-04-27T00:11:12Z")
[QUOTE=DMC] Just a minor nitpick. At least the one I looked at isn’t what I’d typically think of when I hear the word “cartoon”. It was pretty disturbing stuff. [/QUOTE] I only looked at “WWJD,” but it’s neither cartoon nor animation. Photographic slideshow with synchronized sound. The only defense that I can offer for the people who e-mail abuse to the girl is that they are most probably around her age and not terribly sophisticated. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/13 "2006-04-27T00:17:32Z")
[QUOTE=DMC] Just a minor nitpick. At least the one I looked at isn’t what I’d typically think of when I hear the word “cartoon”. It was pretty disturbing stuff. [/QUOTE] I know. But what other generic term would you expect a reporter to use for something made with Flash Animation software that incorporates visual and audio in a synchronized format? I’d just call it a Flash animation, myself, but I’m not a reporter. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/14 "2006-04-27T00:18:51Z")
[QUOTE=DMC] Just a minor nitpick. At least the one I looked at isn’t what I’d typically think of when I hear the word “cartoon”. It was pretty disturbing stuff. [/QUOTE] I also have to object to her being called a cartoonist, or “animation producer”. I’ve viewed five of her works and at best they’re slideshows, with a sequence of news photos and intertitles. Further, she tends to reuse the images within and among her creations. Her work is neither original nor thought-provoking. I guess it gave the troglodytes who e-mailed the threats a moment of satisfaction, though. Idiots. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/15 "2006-04-27T00:21:25Z")
I don’t like this girl’s work. I think it is one-dimensional heavy-handed, and overly simplistic, even for a 15-year-old. I am also tired of all this “the war is bad because people die”. I resent the OP’s closing line, for similar reasons. That said, I just wanted to support his/her general position that the people who would say such things to this little girl—because of a belief she is expressing—are beneath contempt. Calling them assholes and scumbags just begins to describe the cowardly nitwits. They need a dose of just the things they would like to see visited upon her. Come to think of it, maybe sending them into the war zone is te right thing—armed with nothing but a megaphone to make the most of their tough talk. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/16 "2006-04-27T00:27:55Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] … That said, I just wanted to support his/her general position that the people who would say such things to this little girl—because of a belief she is expressing—are beneath contempt. Calling them assholes and scumbags just begins to describe the cowardly nitwits. They need a dose of just the things they would like to see visited upon her. Come to think of it, maybe sending them into the war zone is te right thing—armed with nothing but a megaphone to make the most of their tough talk. [/QUOTE] Ditto, what you said, exactly as you said it. Bunch of UNamerican scumbags they are. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/17 "2006-04-27T00:47:35Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] I don’t like this girl’s work. I think it is one-dimensional heavy-handed, and overly simplistic, even for a 15-year-old. I am also tired of all this “the war is bad because people die”. [/QUOTE] Really? You’re “tired”? Why you poor thing you. Mayhaps not all of us that oppose this particular clusterfuck are not peaceful beatniks, but rather outraged people from all walks of life that can’t stand being LIED INTO AN INSANE INVASION that has done nothing but butcher endless innocent people…including and unknown number of children. Ya know, the “We don’t do body counts” bullshit. Finally, spare me the “we got rid of Saddam” garbage and please, _please_, go fuck yourself with a rusty pitchfork. Shouldn’t be too hard for you, seeing what a huge asshole you are. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/18 "2006-04-27T01:25:33Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] I don’t like this girl’s work. I think it is one-dimensional heavy-handed, and overly simplistic, even for a 15-year-old. I am also tired of all this “the war is bad because people die”. . [/QUOTE] Nevertheless, that’s precisely why war is bad. You might find her animations not sophisticated enough but when all is said and done, what matters is what she shows : coffins and people in tears, as “simplistic” as it may be. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/19 "2006-04-27T01:30:27Z")
Damn you’re a tool \*\* rjung\*\*. A worthless tool at that. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353/20 "2006-04-27T01:51:06Z")
> [@](#): > > . . . one-dimensional heavy-handed, and overly simplistic, even for a 15-year-old. Perfect description on how those incompetent fools Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have misprosecuted the War in Iraq. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-feel-proud-for-threatening-a-15-year-old/354353.md?page=2)