Do You Hear a Ch or Tr Here?

That’s what I hear too, and apparently Baal Houtham agrees with us. I want to know what Polerius hears.

I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking, but I’m having to work fairly hard to say “truck.” “Chruck” is the natural pronunciation for me. I could probably force myself to change pronunciations if I wanted to. I hope I’m actually answering the right question.

As for the Big Shocking Reveal of the Transcript…

Yes, I am saying “chruck, truck” x 3

I believe I say truck, and I heard the dictionary say truck. If I make a deliberate effort, I can say chruck; doing so seems to involve pushing my lips (and, I think, my tongue) more forward than I do to say truck.

FWIW I heard trippy, and cray rather than pray. The other one would not play for me.

This would indeed be awesome. Difficult, though, since the two samples would need to be of people not trying to make the distinction in their own speech. Someone would basically have to either troll sound clips on the internet or carry a microphone around waiting til they’ve encountered what they judge to be an example of each of the two pronunciations.

I thought it was interesting. :wink:

I’m not a speech engineer either, but I’d try it with an F sound and with an S sound (or ideally, with a sound intermediate between F and S-- Maybe something close to unvoiced TH?). They’re closely related sounds, but would produce blends that show up to different degrees in English: “Spray” or “Fray” would be normal English words, but “Sray” or “Fpray” wouldn’t be. I think that if my hypothesis about the origin of the P sound is correct, that English speakers would hear the result as “Fray”, but that if my hypothesis is incorrect, it’d be heard as “Spray”.

Can someone point me to a free usable malwareless very basic sound editor? I just need to be able to clip out bits of sound clips.

I imagine everyone would agree the second is much more t than ch. (I am sure I still heare a smidge of ch in the thing though.)

If I understand correctly, though, the clip is not what was asked for. What was wanted (I think) is clips of people saying the words “naturally,” without care for the question of whether it’s a t or a ch sound.

I’ve been using Audacity. Wikipedia lists a number of other options.

Yeah, I just downloaded it in fact. New poll coming soon. :wink:

I hereby count this question as on-topic:

Given a soundclip found online as an mp3, howinheck do I save it to my own computer so that I may edit it? I would think file–>save as would work, but it’s greyed out. (As is “save.”) And right clicking on the item in the page gives no relevant option.

ETA: Nevermind–Explorer won’t let me save it, but Firefox will.

No.

Given the agreement (which included Polerius) that the difference was present, I think the bolded part has been ruled out.

I stand corrected.

I insist there’s ch-iness in the second sound as well as the first, but anyway I never would have thought it impossible to pronounce truck with a genuine t sound and also it’s clear that the second sound in the clip is much more like a t than the first sound in the clip.

“Chrek” for trek, here. All the others are tr.

New poll here.
([/wc2])

What’s wc2 mean?

I thought some people might be reminded of the phrase “New troll here!” from Warcraft 2, so I was acknowledging the (originally unintentional) pun.

However, I do hereby retroactively intend it.

If you report the post, it will get much quicker action. Yes, you can report your own post.

Moved Cafe Society –> IMHO.

I’m pretty sure I always say tr, but it certainly sounds more natural in front of some words (for example, tree, truck, train, traffic, trunk) rather than others(trill, trick, trap, trite, trek, trot). The words that sound best with it are less literary, more common. Incidentally, isn’t it strange how many of these words are both nouns and verbs? (Sorry, word nerd.)