# Do you know the basics of these Supreme Court cases? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 2, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173 "2008-10-02T14:39:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![shimmery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@shimmery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shimmery)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/1 "2008-10-02T14:39:55Z")
In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=485601), the OP challenges respondents to name two Supreme Court cases, and finds that most respondents can easily do so. (Although there’s undoubtedly a bit of selection bias at work). In post 28, **Martin Hyde** writes: > [@](#): > > Knowing some of these case names is trivia, knowing about some of the cases is pretty much an essential part of being a well informed citizen. In general most people should be able to at least give the basics behind: > > Marbury v. Madison > Brown v. Board > Roe v. wade > > I’d argue that if we were to hold ourselves to a slightly higher standard everyone needs to know: > > Plessy v. Ferguson > Gideon v. Wainright > Dred Scott v. Sandford How many of these can you describe the basic story behind? Between “the names ring a bell” and “I can describe the background and point of view of each of the adversaries and I know who won and on what argument,” where do you stand? What is the story, if you do know it? ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/2 "2008-10-02T14:45:23Z")
I consider myself more informed than most, but the only ones in that list I know details about are Brown v Topeka and Dred Scott v Stanford. Miranda is not on the list, but I know about that. The others I recognize but could not discuss without prompting. ---
**Author:** ![akennett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee59a6/32.png) [@akennett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akennett)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/3 "2008-10-02T14:46:57Z")
I could give a rundown on them, but that’s a bit of a cheat as I have two years of grad school (and of teaching) American history with a political/constitutional focus. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/4 "2008-10-02T14:50:15Z")
I could probably brief all of them from memory except _Gideon_ (and the relevant dates)- and I know what it was, I just don’t remember the reasoning given in the opinion. I took 12 hours of Con Law as an undergrad, though. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/5 "2008-10-02T14:52:27Z")
I can talk about all of them if I were to be asked in a television interview. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/6 "2008-10-02T14:54:04Z")
oh, goody! a pop quiz! **Marbury v. Madison** - late 18th century - established judicial review under the federal Constitution; held that Congress could not expand the original jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, which is defined by Art III of the Constituion; statutory provision conferring mandamus power on the Supreme Court struck down; first case of a federal statute being held invalid because it conflicted with the Constitution. **Brown v. Board of Education** - 1950s - unanimous decision of the Supreme Court holding that “separate but equal” state facilities in a state school system was inherently unequal, and therefore in breach of the 14th Amendment; began school desegregation by federal courts. Overturned **Plessy v. Ferguson**. **Roe v. Wade** - 1973 - found that the Constitution had a right to privacy which protected a women’s right to abortion in the early stages of a pregnancy; decided under the 14th Amendment. **Plessy v. Ferguson** - late 19th century - held that providing separate “but equal” facilities for African-Americans on public transit was constitutional, under the 14th Amendment. Subsequently overturned by **Brown v. Board of Education**. There was one dissent, by Justice Harlan; his grandson sat on the Court in **Brown v. Board of Education** , which overturned **Plessy** on much the same grounds as the first Justice Harlan had suggested in his dissent. **Gideon v. Wainright** - early 1960s - held that states were obliged to provide defence counsel at public expense to individuals charged with criminal offences; due process clause of the 14th Amendment. **Dred Scott v. San[d]ford**\* - 1857 - divided Court held that African-Americans by their nature could never be citizens; federal government had no power to prohibit slavery in territories; Dred Scott did not become free by moving to a free state. - there’s some dispute about how Sandford spelled his name - with a D or without. It appears in both forms on the various court pleadings. ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/7 "2008-10-02T14:55:42Z")
Gideon v. Wainright is my bottom level–could match out of a list of X vs. Y s. Don’t know ANYTHING about the case–although my suspicion is that police are involved somehow. Brown v. Board, is my other extreme. I’ve met Brown’s daughter–not “the” daughter, but her younger sister. At the time, Ms. Brown was working on the opening of a National Historic Site [in a school](http://www.nps.gov/brvb/) which was affected by the decision. Thus I’m aware of many tiny, trivial details, as well as the impact that this decision had with regard to making changes broader than who could attend what school. Marbury v. Madison I learned about in grad school. Plessy v. Ferguson, and the Dred Scott case (only recognise the other party due to the other thread) I learned about at some point in school when studying history, I think. Roe v. Wade’s details I know more because of Roe’s more recent history rather than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/8 "2008-10-02T15:24:19Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > **Dred Scott v. San[d]ford**\* - 1857 - divided Court held that African-Americans by their nature could never be citizens; federal government had no power to prohibit slavery in territories; Dred Scott did not become free by moving to a free state. Nitpick: the Court held that African-American _slaves_ could not become citizens, not African Americans in general. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/9 "2008-10-02T15:29:01Z")
> [@akennett](#): > > I could give a rundown on them, but that’s a bit of a cheat as I have two years of grad school (and of teaching) American history with a political/constitutional focus. Ditto. I teach American Government, and we delve into each of these cases, among others, in my class each semester. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/10 "2008-10-02T16:18:23Z")
I’m familiar with their essential significance, except for Gideon. For Plessy, I know whtat the impact of that case was, but I don’t know what side Plessy was on. I’d say the Dred Scott case is known to most people as simply that; they don’t know the name of the other party. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/11 "2008-10-02T16:49:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Nitpick: the Court held that African-American _slaves_ could not become citizens, not African Americans in general. From the [Wiki summary](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford) of the case: > [@](#): > > _ **Dred Scott v. Sandford** _, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court that ruled that **people of African descent imported into the United States and held as slaves, or their descendants—whether or not they were slaves—could never be citizens of the United States** , and that the United States Congress had no authority to prohibit slavery in federal territories. And from the [decision itself](http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=60&page=393): [QUOTE=Chief Justice Taney] The words ‘people of the United States’ and ‘citizens’ are synonymous terms, and mean the same thing. They both describe the political body who, according to our republican institutions, form the sovereignty, and who hold the power and conduct the Government through their representatives. They are what we familiarly call the ‘sovereign people,’ and every citizen is one of this people, and a constituent member of this sovereignty. The question before us is, whether the class of persons described in the plea in abatement compose a portion of this people, and are constituent members of this sovereignty? We think they are not, and that they are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word ‘citizens’ in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States. **On the contrary, they were at that time considered as a subordinate [60 U.S. 393, 405] and inferior class of beings, who had been subjugated by the dominant race, and, whether emancipated or not, yet remained subject to their authority, and had no rights or privileges but such as those who held the power and the Government might choose to grant them.** … In the opinion of the court, the legislation and histories of the times, and the language used in the Declaration of Independence, show, that **neither the class of persons who had been imported as slaves, nor their descendants, whether they had become free or not, were then acknowledged as a part of the people,** nor intended to be included in the general words used in that memorable instrument. … And if persons of the African race are citizens of a State, and of the United States, they would be entitled to all of these privileges and immunities in every State, and the State could not restrict them; for they would hold these privileges and immunities under the paramount authority of the Federal Government, and its courts would be bound to maintain and enforce them, the Constitution and laws of the State to the contrary notwithstanding. And if the States could limit or restrict them, or place the party in an inferior grade, this clause of the Constitution would be unmeaning, and could have no operation; and would give no rights to the citizen when in another State. He would have none but what the State itself chose to allow him. This is evidently not the construction or meaning of the clause in question. It guaranties rights to the citizen, and the State cannot withhold them. And these rights are of a character and would lead to consequences which make it absolutely certain that **the African race were not included under the name of citizens of a State, and were not in the contemplation of the framers of the Constitution when these privileges and immunities were provided for the protection of the citizen in other States.** [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/12 "2008-10-02T17:07:55Z")
I retract my nitpick. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/13 "2008-10-02T17:28:14Z")
_Miranda v. Arizona_ is also a case we all need to know, as it’s a household name. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/14 "2008-10-02T17:31:28Z")
_Miranda v. Arizona_ is also a case we all need to know, as it’s a household name. Then there’s Mapp v. Ohio. The OP’s list is heavily into racial decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/15 "2008-10-02T17:34:58Z")
PolSci undergrad, and lawyer in the federal courts for 20 years. Yeah, I could BS about any/all of them in a TV interview. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/16 "2008-10-02T17:57:35Z")
I recently found out that Dred Scott, at the time of the decision, was owned by an abolitionist, Calvin Chaffee. Scott was the property of his wife, who was the widow of Dr. Emerson, the Ft. Snelling physician who brought Scott into free territory. Sandford was the brother of Mrs. Emerson (Mrs. Chaffee) and the executor of Mr. Emerson’s will. Sometimes, life is very strange. (Chaffee transfered Scott and his wife to the Blows, the original owners of Scott, who freed him. There was some reason he could not be freed by Chaffee…) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/17 "2008-10-02T18:14:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The OP’s list is heavily into racial decisions. Racial and gender discrimination is a sadly large part of American history. I’ve seen this meme popping up in several unexpected places, and the two decisions it seems that all my American-educated peers know is Brown vs the Board of Education and Roe v Wade. ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/18 "2008-10-02T18:26:40Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > I’m familiar with their essential significance, except for Gideon. For Plessy, I know whtat the impact of that case was, but I don’t know what side Plessy was on. > > I’d say the Dred Scott case is known to most people as simply that; they don’t know the name of the other party. I also have a hard time remembering which one was Plessy and which one was Ferguson. And the Dred Scott thing has always bothered me. In lists, even in my school textbooks, all the cases were always Somebody v. Somebody else, except for Dred Scott. Why? **Why?** _ **Why?** _ ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/19 "2008-10-02T18:46:25Z")
I can tell you the essential significance of all of those, which is IMHO the minimum required for an educated adult. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173/20 "2008-10-02T19:00:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > _Miranda v. Arizona_ is also a case we all need to know, as it’s a household name. Most people can recite a few lines of that decision; I think we know it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-know-the-basics-of-these-supreme-court-cases/466173.md?page=2)