# Do you say anything about the unvaccinated? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [November 25, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943 "2021-11-25T15:31:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/41 "2022-01-13T20:37:33Z")
> [@veryfrank](#): > > TL;dr I couldn’t wait to get the jabs, and will happily rush to get a fourth one if it’s required. And I literally don’t understand the mindset of anyone who says they won’t, for stupid political reasons, or they’re scared of needles (I used to get allergy shots and I’ve got a handful of tattoos, so needles mean nothing to me), or they just don’t like The Man telling them what to do. They might as well be Martians, and I don’t have the Rosetta Stone to communicate with them. I’m much the same. Cannot understand the mindset of these folks. “Nobody can tell me what to do!” \< dies \> Congratulations dude! You certainly showed them! ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/42 "2022-01-13T20:49:55Z")
A lot of these folks have a hard time comparing a “one in a million adverse effect” to a “two in a hundred VERY adverse effect”. What they’re looking for is a “none in a million adverse effect” - and it’s a small step from there to rejecting anything that forces them to make the comparison. All they know is that THEY’RE doing fine up to now. (And maybe, they’ve been infected and been one of the lucky ones.) These people are afraid. Not of the needle - but afraid to do anything that puts them at risk, however miniscule. For them - it’s easier to disbelieve. ---
**Author:** ![veryfrank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@veryfrank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/veryfrank)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/43 "2022-01-13T21:05:16Z")
> [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > Fear of needles I understand. I’m OK with them myself, but I have other fears, and I understand how powerful they can be. I suspect a lot of anti-vaxxers are scared of needles, or medical stuff in general, but are embarrassed to admit it, so they come up with or latch on to other rationalizations. I have a friend who has an absolute massive phobia of needles (trauma related, I won’t relate the story here). So she hasn’t had her jabs, and I don’t know when I’ll see her in person again. She’s also got much more ink than me. I can’t quite reconcile those two facts. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/44 "2022-01-13T21:47:06Z")
Wow. I think that’s going to roll around in my brain for a while now. ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/45 "2022-01-14T13:28:24Z")
There was a comment in another thread - people were bribing doctors in Greece to give them a shot of saline and then sign them off as having the vaccine. But the doctors were taking the bribes and ADMINISTRATING THE VACCINES. I can just see a new CT forming - GOVERNMENT SNEAKING VACCINES INTO TATTOO PARLOR INKS. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/46 "2022-01-14T14:32:19Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > These people are afraid. Not of the needle - but afraid to do anything that puts them at risk, however miniscule. For them - it’s easier to disbelieve. I often uncharitably characterize this as “Better that a thousand strangers should die than I be minorly inconvenienced” but the reality is that - for whatever reason - they just don’t want to get vaccinated, and like most people retroactively justify their actions by crafting a mental narrative that puts them in the best possible light. > [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > There was a comment in another thread - people were bribing doctors in Greece to give them a shot of saline and then sign them off as having the vaccine. But the doctors were taking the bribes and ADMINISTRATING THE VACCINES. This has cheered me up immensely. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/47 "2022-01-14T16:06:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > most people retroactively justify their actions by crafting a mental narrative that puts them in the best possible light. This. There are many people who will never be convinced to change there minds about vaccination because it means that at one point they were wrong. And there minds just cannot accept the reality that they were ever wrong, especially when many people are pointing out that they were wrong. It just backs them into a corner. To them its easier to except two other outcomes, they get Covid and survive which they feel vindicates them. Or they get Covid and die in which case so don’t have to deal with it anymore. They are betting that they will be in the larger group that survives while being ignorant about the other possible long term issues that go along with contacting the disease. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/48 "2022-01-14T20:59:07Z")
> [@veryfrank](#): > > I have a friend who has an absolute massive phobia of needles … I was just at the dentist’s. I never have any problem w/ dentists, but was discussing w/ him the use of nitrous, Xanax, etc for sensitive patients. People get MRIs w/ sedation. Yeah, I know there is no rational explanation for irrational fears, but a fear of needles sure seems like something that could be managed. ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/49 "2022-01-14T22:27:23Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > There was a comment in another thread - people were bribing doctors in Greece to give them a shot of saline and then sign them off as having the vaccine. But the doctors were taking the bribes and ADMINISTRATING THE VACCINES. I really, really want this to be true. Anyone got a link? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/50 "2022-01-15T01:22:14Z")
I would never knowingly associate with someone like that. It’s a moral issue, some behavior is so repugnant, it automatically gets you blacklisted from my life. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/51 "2022-01-15T01:59:07Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > while being ignorant about the other possible long term issues that go along with contacting the disease. They’ll just blame their long term debilitating symptoms on other people. ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/52 "2022-01-15T11:48:40Z")
Doctors in Greece taking bribes and giving vaccines anyway… > [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > I really, really want this to be true. Anyone got a link? Try a web search on “vaccine bribe doctor greece”. I just did that and noticed that one site, alas, says it’s not reliable. [https://forensicnews.net/forensic-fact-check-anti-vax-bribes-in-greece/](https://forensicnews.net/forensic-fact-check-anti-vax-bribes-in-greece/) ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943/53 "2022-01-15T13:08:24Z")
My landlady honestly believes that the covid vaccine is the Mark of the Beast. I’ve discussed this at length here on the Dope: > [@Fighting "Mark of the Beast" vaccine hesitancy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-mark-of-the-beast-vaccine-hesitancy/953149): > > My landlady is an evangelical Christian, and part of the reason she doesn’t want to get the vaccine is because she sees a lot of similarities between it and the Mark of the Beast in Revelation. What do I even say to that? I’m looking for honest answers. Is there some biblical counterpoint I can make? And there’s no reasoning someone down from _that_ position. She also believes Dr. Fauci ought to be in prison for “whatever it is he’s done”. So I guess she and my landlord are in full “fuck around and find out” mode, so I’ve just stopped trying to convince them to get the vaccine. I’d have better luck knocking down a wall by slamming my head against it repeatedly. (At least _then_, I might occasionally make a dent). [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/FQPSxCi.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/FQPSxCi) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-say-anything-about-the-unvaccinated/954943.md?page=2)