# Do you think it is reasonable for taxpayers to pay $113 BILLION a year for Illegals/Anchor Babies? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 19, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650 "2011-07-19T23:59:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/101 "2011-07-20T21:22:57Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > So, far I have not seen any credibility from the long-standing members of The Straight Dope in this thread. **No fact links** to substantiate statements, Except the one I gave you that you ignored. > [@](#): > > and **basically nothing but name calling**. By you. Everyone has asked you to stop and you refuse. > [@](#): > > I will be interested to see if the members posting in this thread are even real American citizens. So far I am skeptical. I’m not a real American or any other flavour of American. So what? > [@](#): > > Sounds like propaganda to keep the **$113 Billion a year** flowing to illegals. Too bad too because when I came to this thread I was thinking amnesty. Now I am leaning to the $296 Billion plan to deport all 12,000,000 illegals in five years. It would be a money saver compared to what we spend each year. Your logic is very impressive. I recommend you run for government office. Good luck in your future endeavors and I’m done with this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/102 "2011-07-20T21:23:35Z")
Stop wasting the nation’s critically-short big blue text reserves! I figure the Americans would just blow the $113 bill on something else, anyway. At least this expenditure stays mostly in-country. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/103 "2011-07-20T21:27:32Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Again: _“American-born children of illegal immigrants”_ – There’s your term. Not everything has to have a cute short tag. This term is too long, and does not have popular use in the main stream media. However, I am still eager to learn another term to ‘anchor babies’ or ‘illegals.’ But when you come down to it, isn’t that what they are invaders trying to get a foothold in the United States to take a free ride on our welfare system? Perhaps the best word to use is what they are, ‘freeloaders.’ **Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year** ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/104 "2011-07-20T21:29:38Z")
Ah, yes, large colored text is an unfailing indicator of intellectual superiority. Not. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/105 "2011-07-20T21:29:48Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with this. You might want to read a thread before posting in it. The topic of this thread is; > > **Do you think it is reasonable for taxpayers to pay $113 BILLION a year for Illegals/Anchor Babies?** FYI, **Cyclone,** posts with huge colored letters are often the last thing we see from a banned poster. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/106 "2011-07-20T21:29:57Z")
To answer the OP, yes, I do think it’s reasonable to pay $113 Billion a year for Illegals/Anchor Babies. Mostly b/c if you pay the monthly, per pound rate, it’s like 5 times the yearly cost. We have to save money on our grocery bill somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/107 "2011-07-20T21:31:46Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > How about just simply [citizens](http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am14)? “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” The term does not specifically describe the group. These are individuals who obtained U. S. citizenship by entering the United States illegally - undocumented. Those born of parents who were citizens of the United States themselves would not be included in this group. Please keep trying. I am listening. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/108 "2011-07-20T21:33:21Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > The term does not specifically describe the group. These are individuals who obtained U. S. citizenship by entering the United States illegally - undocumented. Those born of parents who were citizens of the United States themselves would not be included in this group. Please keep trying. I am listening. The 14th says nothing about one’s parents. If you’re born in the US, you’re a citizen. Period. Please keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/109 "2011-07-20T21:33:46Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > This term is too long Let’s see, “American-born children of illegal immigrants”. Fourteen syllables. “Freeloaders = $113 Billion a year.” Fifteen syllables, if you express it as “Freeloaders equals one hundred and thirteen billion a year.” I’ll even let you save two syllables by not making it “Freeloaders equals one hundred and thirteen billion _dollars_ a year”, though it could more accurately be expressed so. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/110 "2011-07-20T21:35:36Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > These are individuals who obtained U. S. citizenship by entering the United States illegally - undocumented. We must have the crappiest border patrol in the world if it can’t stop embryos from crossing the Rio Grande in the middle of the night. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/111 "2011-07-20T21:36:10Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > But when you come down to it, isn’t that what they are invaders trying to get a foothold in the United States to take a free ride on our welfare system? No, they are poor people desperate for work whom we ruthlessly exploit and abuse, then sneer at so we can pretend we aren’t the bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/112 "2011-07-20T21:37:11Z")
“Constitutional citizens”- 9 syllables. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/113 "2011-07-20T21:39:06Z")
**Cyclone** , if you want a forum where people will accept whatever you say because you personally vouch for it, you have come to the wrong place. Posters here also won’t be convinced by yelling, colorful text, or simple obstinacy. If that’s all you have to offer, I will close this thread. > [@DianaG](#): > > Can we get a chant going here? When I say “anchor babies”, y’all say “ASSHOLE!!!” This could be understood as a personal insult. Don’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/114 "2011-07-20T21:39:41Z")
> [@Implicit](#): > > You already responded to my first post ([#46](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14041781&postcount=46)) in this thread yesterday with [post #49](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14041792&postcount=49). Why are you responding to it again with post #80 and ignoring my response to post #49? Do you have memory problems? [My response](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14041918&postcount=62), including a link from the Congressional Budget Office, a bipartisan report with a bibliography of all the data sources used, trumps your retarded list of what you will or won’t accept. > > Here is that response, since you seem to have missed it: I am not certain why we are taking such great pains to be polite to a group of people who sneak into the United States illegally, and many of them are having children to try and cheat the system of legal immigration. These arguments are getting repetative, and trite. In 2010 the Obama administration deported about 400,000 illegals. 195,000 were convicted felons. The president is correct about making it a priority to get the criminals out first. In order to obtain legal citizenship one must take a physical to be sure they are disease free. Illegal immigrants take no health exam and are often working with our food supply. American citizens should not have to risk their health so a law breaker can cut in line in front of legal immigrants to be in this country. ---
**Author:** ![rooostra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@rooostra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rooostra)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/115 "2011-07-20T21:40:50Z")
Dear god! The words…they just keep getting bigger. Run for your lives! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/116 "2011-07-20T21:43:49Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with this. You might want to read a thread before posting in it. The topic of this thread is; > > **Do you think it is reasonable for taxpayers to pay $113 BILLION a year for Illegals/Anchor Babies?** 1. Shouting does not make you any more correct or less wrong. 2. So-called anchor babies are NOT “illegals”. They’re natural-born citizens of the United States, as per the 14th Amendment. So deduct whatever portion of that _claimed_ 113 billion spent on the _citizens_ who happen to have at least one parent who crossed the border without permission and we can discuss whether or not that’s a reasonable sum to spend on people here illegally. Their babies that were born here ARE citizens, whether other people like it or not, and should be cared for as much as any other US citizen. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/117 "2011-07-20T21:44:45Z")
> [@Implicit](#): > > …Your link is not credible. I’m sure you can find actual facts if you want to, but since you asked so nicely, try this pdf: CBO Paper on [The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments](http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf) from December 2007… Your link is incomplete and only includes a fraction of the cost from State and local government. Please review these words carefully. **$113 Billion per year** for illegal aliens, AND their anchor babies for education, health care, and welfare. Your link does not support your contention. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/118 "2011-07-20T21:47:12Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Can we get a chant going here? When I say “anchor babies”, y’all say “ASSHOLE!!!” Name calling I can deal with to a degree, but when you start calling anchor babies “ASSHOLES,” I think you have overstepped the line of useful debate. Please apologize for your remark. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/119 "2011-07-20T21:47:55Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > I will be interested to see if the members posting in this thread are even real American citizens. So far I am skeptical. I’m sorry - were you under the delusion that this was somehow an Americans-only forum? I wish to inform you that that is NOT the case. We have people from all over the world posting here. That is probably some of the issue with you calling yourself liberal and others saying you’re not - what passes for a “far left or liberal” stance in the US is actually _far right or conservative_ in many other places. Anyhow - as it happens, I’m a native-born US citizen. Just for the record. Most recent immigrant ancestor came over in 1900. So yeah, “real American citizen.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650/120 "2011-07-20T21:48:18Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Your link is incomplete and only includes a fraction of the cost from State and local government. Please review these words carefully. > > **$113 Billion per year** > for illegal aliens, > AND their anchor babies > for education, > health care, > and welfare. > > Your link does not support your contention. And your use of red and blue crayons does nothing to support _your_ contention. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-it-is-reasonable-for-taxpayers-to-pay-113-billion-a-year-for-illegals-anchor-babies/589650.md?page=7)