# Do you think that Trump will ever meet his "Joe McCarthy" moment?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [March 7, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159 "2018-03-07T00:29:19Z")\
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**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/21 "2018-03-07T14:06:06Z")

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> [@Batano](#):
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> All melanin seems to have left him already. I mean Melania.

Melanoma.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/22 "2018-03-07T14:13:19Z")

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> Quoth **chappachula** :
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> Trump is wild and reckless…but it’s hard to imagine what he could do that would be as reckless as McCarthy’s insulting every single person in the country…

I don’t know that Trump has yet managed to insult every single person in the country with a single statement, but he has insulted every single one of his supporters with a single statement, which one would expect would have the same effect.

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/23 "2018-03-07T14:42:03Z")

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Let’s say that gold star family had been white. Would Trump’s behaviour then have broken him? Would it do so now?

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/24 "2018-03-07T14:53:57Z")

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We knew the answer to “Have you no decency?” well \*before \*even the disabled reporter mocking or the pussy grabbing video, and add your own other favorites to the list if you like. Trump got votes \*because \*of that, not despite it.

So, no.

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**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/25 "2018-03-07T15:13:12Z")

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> [@jtur88](#):
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> A president with no sense of decency will have the complete approval of an electorate with no sense of decency.

Well fucking said.

There is the potential for a McCarthy moment, but it will take a perfect alignment of some terrible stars. Like, Russia will nuke S. Korea, or better yet a white European country. And Trump will be forced to hold a press conference immediately and without preparation. And in an ad lib stream of consciousness response to some reporter with whom he has had a long-running grudge, he defends Russia, saying something to the effect of all those noncombatants deserved to die in fire and melty horror because they were openly insulting Vlad and questioning his legitimacy, and that he would have done the exact same thing, and maybe it’s time California was brought to justice… Basically, a giant ‘record scratch’ moment on live, national TV. He’d still have 15-20% support because there are that many broken minds in the USA, but the other 80% would be united in torch & pitchfork anger.

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**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/26 "2018-03-07T15:19:40Z")

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> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> Let’s hope that one day Trump will be exposed as a reckless bully.

He’s _been_ exposed. Nobody cares.

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**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/27 "2018-03-07T17:27:48Z")

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> [@Johnny\_Ace](#):
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> Not as long as Republicans are in power.

Yep. Before Trump has his “have you no decency” moment, the entire Republican party has to have one first, and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

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**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/28 "2018-03-07T18:52:11Z")

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> [@watchwolf49](#):
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> Bob Hope did a show at the Wisconsin State Fair in 1954 that was full of “Uncle Joe” jokes … the audience loved it … in less than six months, McCarthy was finish politically … cause-and-effect? … Bob Hope claimed it was …
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> I don’t think Bob Hope will be doing a show at the New York State Fair anytime soon …

Are you saying there is no Hope?

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/29 "2018-03-07T19:29:23Z")

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It’s a shame that no one has stepped up to publically criticize him yet.

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**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/30 "2018-03-07T19:55:19Z")

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Yeah, pushing hard against the second amendment would probably do it.

Having a proved homosexual relationship would probably also do it.

Everyone already knew he was a philanderer and adulterer before the election. It was a matter of public record.

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**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/31 "2018-03-07T20:12:20Z")

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> [@K364](#):
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> A lying, reckless, power mad bully

The problem with Trump is that they already know this and support him regardless. He is what I have previously called an ‘honest liar’ - he knows he’s lying, we know he’s lying, and we know that he knows he’s lying, and he knows that we know that he knows.

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**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/32 "2018-03-07T20:17:57Z")

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> [@Shoeless](#):
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> Yep. Before Trump has his “have you no decency” moment, the entire Republican party has to have one first, and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

Are you sure they’re not biding their time, waiting for the magic 2 years and 1 day before they knife him? Fancy 10 years of Pence? Or perhaps they’re waiting to see which way the wind blows in the elections later this year? A new President a few weeks before the election would dominate the news and be free publicity. In both cases Trump would resign on health grounds, of course.

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**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/33 "2018-03-07T20:33:22Z")

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> [@MikeF](#):
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> Are you saying there is no Hope?

Ms. Hicks has left the building.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/34 "2018-03-07T20:47:06Z")

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> [@Quartz](#):
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> Are you sure they’re not biding their time, waiting for the magic 2 years and 1 day before they knife him?

Who in the party has the stature and the backbone and the devotion to country to do it? Who would be in the delegation of party leaders who go visit him to tell him it’s time to go, like the ones who visited Nixon?

If Pence has to go too, who would have the national and DC-internal image to be acceptable as the caretaker President, like Ford did?

I really don’t know. The well is dry.

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**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/35 "2018-03-07T20:56:35Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> I agree. Trump has been exposed. Everyone knows what he is. But some people are just choosing to deny it.

Even worse. They’re not denying it, they just don’t care.  
They know he’s a compulsive liar, cheats on his wife, has screwed many many people over, is a Putin apologist, can’t think 10 minutes past any of his “ideas”, demeans women, etc. and they just… don’t… care.  
All they know how to do is stand slack jawed and say the same thing “better than Hillary”

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/36 "2018-03-07T21:15:34Z")

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> [@Hampshire](#):
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> Even worse. They’re not denying it, they just don’t care.  
> They know he’s a compulsive liar, cheats on his wife, has screwed many many people over, is a Putin apologist, can’t think 10 minutes past any of his “ideas”, demeans women, etc. and they just… don’t… care.  
> All they know how to do is stand slack jawed and say the same thing “better than Hillary”

Well, I suspect many of them will express support for Trump but really don’t care even a little about what he says or does, as long as he’s a Republican and the perceptions persist that Republicans:

1. Are more likely than Democrats to restrict abortion.
2. Are less likely than Democrats to restrict guns.
3. Are more likely than Democrats to cut taxes.

I can somewhat understand a single-issue voter who picks the R candidate (and then sticks with him or her) based solely on one of the above premises or something similar. Even if the R official mildly violates one of the premises, he can be forgiven by the voter, if the voter doesn’t want to analyze the issue too deeply.

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**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/37 "2018-03-07T21:41:38Z")

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> [@Hampshire](#):
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> All they know how to do is stand slack jawed and say the same thing “better than Hillary”

And for them, as flawed as he was - and is - he was indeed a better choice.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/38 "2018-03-08T00:15:46Z")

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> [@Loach](#):
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> It’s a shame that no one has stepped up to publically criticize him yet.

Right. All those Republicans in power (McConnell, Ryan, committee heads) publicly say “Tsk, tsk, tsk.” And publicly _do_ nothing about it whatsoever.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/39 "2018-03-08T06:15:53Z")

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> [@Hampshire](#):
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> Even worse. They’re not denying it, they just don’t care.  
> They know he’s a compulsive liar, cheats on his wife, has screwed many many people over, is a Putin apologist, can’t think 10 minutes past any of his “ideas”, demeans women, etc. and they just… don’t… care.  
> All they know how to do is stand slack jawed and say the same thing “better than Hillary”

I don’t know. They seem to put a lot of effort into denouncing all the reports as “fake news”.

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**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-that-trump-will-ever-meet-his-joe-mccarthy-moment/810159/40 "2018-03-08T13:54:14Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> I agree. Trump has been exposed. Everyone knows what he is. But some people are just choosing to deny it.

Worse. They don’t deny it but think other issues are more important.

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