# Do you think the plane crash in this video is real? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 24, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454 "2015-04-24T17:30:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HotDogWater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/35a633/32.png) [@HotDogWater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HotDogWater)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/1 "2015-04-24T17:30:20Z")
[https://www.facebook.com/Extreme/videos/855953834461829/](https://www.facebook.com/Extreme/videos/855953834461829/) Right after the title screen, there is a plane crash. Do you think it’s real? If you do, can you name the plane/flight/year of the incident? ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/2 "2015-04-24T17:38:38Z")
It’s real > **[National Airlines Flight 102](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102)** > > National Airlines Flight 102 (N8102/NCR102) was a cargo flight operated by National Airlines between Camp Bastion in Afghanistan and Al Maktoum Airport in Dubai, with a refueling stop at Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan. On 29 April 2013, the Boeing 747-400 operating the flight crashed moments after taking off from Bagram, killing all seven people on board. > The subsequent investigation concluded that improperly secured cargo broke free during the take-off and rolled to the back of the cargo hold, ... > **[Crash: National Air Cargo B744 at Bagram on Apr 29th 2013, lost height...](http://avherald.com/h?article=46183bb4&opt=0)** > > Aviation Herald - News, Incidents and Accidents in Aviation ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/3 "2015-04-24T19:46:31Z")
Wow. That’s really quite similar to a recurring dream I have (since before the crash). [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14332736&postcount=5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14332736&postcount=5) ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/4 "2015-04-24T19:53:52Z")
More info: [Shifting cargo likely damaged National 747's systems: NTSB | News | Flight Global](http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/shifting-cargo-likely-damaged-national-74739s-systems-408652/) ---
**Author:** ![HotDogWater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/35a633/32.png) [@HotDogWater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HotDogWater)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/5 "2015-04-24T20:34:51Z")
Holy Moly it took **Tapioca Dextrin** all of 8 minutes. Sweet. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/6 "2015-04-24T20:42:43Z")
> [@HotDogWater](#): > > Holy Moly it took **Tapioca Dextrin** all of 8 minutes. Sweet. That’s pretty slow. I recognized it immediately. It was a cargo plane flying out of Bagram Afghanistan. It was carrying a load of military vehicles when the cargo came loose and shifted the center of gravity all the way to the rear causing a stall. No time to recover. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/7 "2015-04-24T20:43:58Z")
> [@HotDogWater](#): > > Holy Moly it took **Tapioca Dextrin** all of 8 minutes. Sweet. Sorry. We must be slipping. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/8 "2015-04-24T21:38:02Z")
What the FB video doesn’t show the the complete non-reaction of the driver of the truck that took the video. He has basically no reaction at all. I think you can hear a dog whimper in the truck, then the driver turns around and goes to wherever he was going. Never says a word the whole time. Like he see planes crash every day. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![HotDogWater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/35a633/32.png) [@HotDogWater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HotDogWater)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/9 "2015-04-24T21:44:11Z")
Not snark, **Musicat** 🙂 I am very impressed, but not surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendajo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Arrendajo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrendajo)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/10 "2015-04-24T23:34:16Z")
I’m curious to know if/why the OP thought it was fake. The clip looks absolutely, horrifyingly real. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/11 "2015-04-24T23:50:57Z")
> [@Arrendajo](#): > > I’m curious to know if/why the OP thought it was fake. The clip looks absolutely, horrifyingly real. I too immediately recognized it. But because it was a military chartered cargo plane, not an airliner full of people, it didn’t get nearly as much news coverage (even though it _ **was** _ a 747!). It was hauling several wheeled, armored military vehicles. They broke loose inside the cargo bay and slide back causing the plane’s center of gravity to radically shift and make it uncontrollable. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/12 "2015-04-24T23:59:10Z")
It’s also a sort of crash that wouldn’t happen to a plane full of people – the people never all shift to one side suddenly, shortly after takeoff. Pretty wild video. The cow at the end was funny, though. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/13 "2015-04-25T02:24:37Z")
> [@Arrendajo](#): > > I’m curious to know if/why the OP thought it was fake. The clip looks absolutely, horrifyingly real. I’m not the OP, but I thought it looked weird how the plane moved, just flopping over sideways. Of course, that’s explained by the massive equipment breaking loose and sliding around. But if you don’t know that, well, it moved like no other large jet I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Cabin\_Fever\_1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cabin_fever_1/32/2908_2.png) [@Cabin\_Fever\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cabin_Fever_1)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/14 "2015-04-25T05:22:12Z")
It’s been answered by **Tapioca’s** links up thread: Tail number registration N949CA. NTSB report here – [Home](http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20130429X12734&key=1) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/15 "2015-04-25T07:58:38Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > It’s also a sort of crash that wouldn’t happen to a plane full of people – the people never all shift to one side suddenly, shortly after takeoff. Unless there is a crocodile loose on board. > **[Aircraft crashes after crocodile on board escapes and sparks panic](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/democraticrepublicofcongo/8078612/Aircraft-crashes-after-crocodile-on-board-escapes-and-sparks-panic.html)** > > A small airliner crashed into a house, killing a British pilot and 19 others after a crocodile smuggled into the aircraft in a sports bag escaped and started a panic. ---
**Author:** ![JustinC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justinc/32/8083_2.png) [@JustinC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustinC)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/16 "2015-04-25T13:09:31Z")
Horribly, terribly, frighteningly real. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/17 "2015-04-25T13:30:09Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I’m not the OP, but I thought it looked weird how the plane moved, just flopping over sideways. Of course, that’s explained by the massive equipment breaking loose and sliding around. But if you don’t know that, well, it moved like no other large jet I’ve ever seen. That would seem to be a clue that it’s real. If it were fake, it would move the way you expect it to move, because the person faking it is trying to satisfy your expectations. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/18 "2015-04-25T15:24:13Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > That would seem to be a clue that it’s real. If it were fake, it would move the way you expect it to move, because the person faking it is trying to satisfy your expectations. Oh. So if I want to fake a video of a plane crashing, I should make it move in an _un_natural way, and it will look real? ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/19 "2015-04-25T17:44:38Z")
I’d [mentioned here on the board at the time](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=689684) that my cousin was killed in that crash: > [@me](#): > > I found out yesterday that my cousin was killed in an airplane crash in Afghanistan. > I went to my folks’ place today to get an update and my dad asked if I’d seen the video. I hadn’t and we watched it. I’m not sure how I feel about it. My cousin and I used to be very close and, as mentioned, there’s a few seconds of stomach-dropping doom that is hard to watch but at the same time, it is a fascinating video. I later took part in the homecoming (?) / dignified transfer ceremony at Dover AFB. Though civilians, the seven crew were treated as though military with all the suitable honors. Most of the crew were from the Detroit area and all families were present. I must say that this was the most poignantly moving night I’ve ever had and, while powerful and made as comfortable as could be by Dover staff & volunteers, I wouldn’t wish upon anyone. I understand that flights leaving Bagram at the time had to climb particularly fast to get out of range of threats of attack from the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454/20 "2015-04-25T20:04:00Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Oh. So if I want to fake a video of a plane crashing, I should make it move in an _un_natural way, and it will look real? You should make it move in a way that looks natural. Whether “looks natural” and “is natural” coincide will differ from case to case. Take this very video. It moved it a perfectly natural way, yet it was that very movement that made some people think it was fake. These people would have been satisfied with a different kind of movement–in other words, an unnatural movement. An unnatural movement that _looks_ natural to those of us who don’t actually know what natural movement looks like in a case like this. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-the-plane-crash-in-this-video-is-real/718454.md?page=2)