# do you think they realize what they look like? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2009, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456 "2009-05-24T12:17:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kayeby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kayeby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kayeby)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/41 "2009-05-25T13:55:39Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > That is retouched to hell, I think. How about [this](http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/madonna-divorce.jpg) one? I’m terrible at judging whether a photo has been Photoshopped. ---
**Author:** ![Imasquare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Imasquare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imasquare)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/42 "2009-05-25T14:00:43Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > So? I think it is extremely unkind to mock people because of physical appearances exacerbated by unflattering photography. Yeah thats what I was thinking. Its potentially hurtful. How do we know that one of these celebs doesn’t read these forums… ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/43 "2009-05-25T14:40:49Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/women-bodybuilders.html](http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/women-bodybuilders.html) > These might be debatable. The young black girl with the short hair looks lovely and toned. The other are a bit puffy for me. I love a toned body, but some of those are a bit much. But whatever floats your boat… ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/44 "2009-05-25T14:47:10Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Yeah, actually, they **are** all precious and special. Since you don’t have a problem with ‘expressions of opinions’ why don’t you post some photos of yourself and let us find an unflattering one to comment on. That would be perfectly fine, right? Or is it different because the others are _celebrities_? Madonna has based her career just as much on her appearance as on her singing and dancing abilities. I definitely think she’s fair game. Me, I’ve never tagged much of my sense of identity or self-worth on what I look like, and what I look like is irrelevant to my profession – so dredging up a picture of me for the sole purpose of snarking on it would be both unkind and unfair. Snarking on Madonna – unkind, perhaps, but not at all unfair. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/45 "2009-05-25T14:59:16Z")
There’s no perhaps about it and apparently, that’s where we part ways. I see unkindness as reason enough not to. I don’t try to rationalize my mocking. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/46 "2009-05-25T15:12:36Z")
You’re a better man than I, Gunga Din. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/47 "2009-05-25T15:28:49Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > There’s no perhaps about it and apparently, that’s where we part ways. I see unkindness as reason enough not to. I don’t try to rationalize my mocking. I’m with you. I just do not see the need. I’ve never been much on cattiness though. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/48 "2009-05-25T15:45:58Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I don’t think that Madge looks so bad. Just out of curiosity, when the hell did people start calling Madonna “Madge”? In any case, that picture of her looks ridiculously Photoshopped to me. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/49 "2009-05-25T15:49:59Z")
## I’ll just add this about Jocelyn Wildenstein - I happened to walk past her once about four years ago. It was late at night, and I was walking down 3rd Ave (upper east side, Manhattan) and there she went strolling by me. She was…unmistakeable. My first thought (aside from 'Wow! That’s the tabloid cat-lady!) was surprise that someone as rich as her would walk anywhere. Beautiful fall night or no, I would’a thunk she’d get a chauffeur driven limo to go anywhere. My second thought was “OMG! Look at her arm candy!” as she was arm-in-arm with one of the most smokin’ hot guys I have ever laid eyes on. Put it this way, he was so good looking, he made me stop looking at _Jocelyn Wildenstein in the flesh_. We can make whatever judgement we want about her appearance, she ain’t hurting for lovin’. Believe it or not, I also walked by Madonna once on the street as well. But my mind was apparently elsewhere that day and I did not realize it was her until she had already walked by. All I could tell about her is that she’s really short. I never passed by Courtney Love on the street. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/50 "2009-05-25T16:31:52Z")
> [@Kayeby](#): > > How about [this](http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/madonna-divorce.jpg) one? I’m terrible at judging whether a photo has been Photoshopped. A good rule of thumb is that if a picture of a celebrity is released via any official avenue (publicist, magazine [other than tabloid], official website, etc), it’s photoshopped. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/51 "2009-05-25T17:51:28Z")
Let’s just hope some of you never find Go Fug Yourself. (Which is a shame, that site is GOLD.) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/52 "2009-05-25T18:24:22Z")
Go Fug Yourself’s focus is on the clothing and they are open to discussion on the fugliness of an outfit as evidenced by their frequent polls. If they were sitting around with intern George making fun of nothing but the physical characteristics of the celebrities then I think the comparison is valid. I haven’t been there in a while but I recall them often pointedly not criticizing the celebrity, only their choice in clothing. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456/53 "2009-05-25T20:28:38Z")
> [@The New and Improved Superman](#): > > I never passed by Courtney Love on the street. I met Courtney Love once, when she was definitely not at her best. She didn’t look terrible, and was a damned nice girl to boot, at least to me. Oddly, though, she would talk about herself as if people wouldn’t know who she was (this band I’m in, lost my husband, etc), as if any of us couldn’t cite at least two tabloid hackjobs on her in a minute. She was nice, if also very run down by the life she leads. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-they-realize-what-they-look-like/497456.md?page=2)