# Do you think Trump will win in 2020? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 19, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728 "2019-06-19T01:50:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/261 "2019-07-07T20:30:03Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Why would that inflame the left? He DID have to work with Eastland. Unless someone is trying to claim that Biden is a closet segregationist, that simply illustrates that he has experience working with people whose views could not be more opposed to his own yet he still accomplishes good (from the Dem point of view) things for the country. > > Only in this hypersensitive PC world could anything negative be taken from that comment. Sure he did work with Eastland and it was probably justified in the context of the time but there was absolutely no point reminding primary voters about this in 2019. A politician isn’t obligated to blurt out everything about their history regardless of context. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/262 "2019-07-07T21:14:41Z")
Hey everyone, guess what! Trump is gaining. [Poll: Trump’s approval rating hits highest point of presidency](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/451858-poll-trumps-approval-rating-hits-highest-point-of-presidency) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/263 "2019-07-07T21:47:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You think that Biden can pry the balls of enough Pubbies out of McConnell’s iron grip to pass Democratic legislation in the Senate? I’m interested in your thinking on this, that is, why you think this is possible. A sitting president could do so easily. Those guys will want appointments (like a brother in law for ambassador), and pork barrel funding for their districts. With the Dems controlling the House and the White House, they wont get any of that. McConnell had to blink on the last bill Pelosi needed, since several GOP senators signaled their willingness to cross over. McConnell can only get away with so much due to the fact trump backs him. No trump, and I would not be shocked if the GOP votes McConnell out. Well, actually they will signal as much, and he will retire 'due to health reasons". ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/264 "2019-07-07T22:09:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > A sitting president could do so easily. Those guys will want appointments (like a brother in law for ambassador), and pork barrel funding for their districts. With the Dems controlling the House and the White House, they wont get any of that. McConnell had to blink on the last bill Pelosi needed, since several GOP senators signaled their willingness to cross over. > McConnell can only get away with so much due to the fact trump backs him. What about McConnell during the EIGHT Obama years? > [@](#): > > No trump, and I would not be shocked if the GOP votes McConnell out. Well, actually they will signal as much, and he will retire 'due to health reasons". By implication, you’re saying that Obama could have gotten more done by using the power of the presidency against Mitch? Not being snarky or challenging… I’d really like to know if you think this would have been possible. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/265 "2019-07-07T22:14:36Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > Could Amash have enough traction in (enough) key states to make a difference? Amash represents Michigan. A state that Trump carried by around 10k votes. If Amash only registers to run in Michigan he could fuck Trump over. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/266 "2019-07-07T22:53:29Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Takes two to tango. I don’t think AOC et al. are really alienating people; they are actually doing a good job forming alliances with others (like Warren and Sanders) and keeping problems with the status quo on the front burner. Right, forming “alliances” with like-minded people. Like how hard is that? I mean AOC needs to form alliances with people in her own party who are vulnerable - who, if they lose, lose control of the House, thus rendering AOC completely and totally irrelevant. See, that’s how politics works. It’s a team sport - you can’t just score victories alone. AOC and her Twitter posse can criticize Pelosi all she wants for passing the border funding bill. What she can’t say on Twitter, or anywhere else, is how she, Ilhar Omar, Rashida Talib, and others were going to strong-arm Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump into passing her version of the bill. Like it’s great that she knows how to use Twitter, but using Twitter isn’t legislating. Might be time for some of the more junior Democrats to start figuring it the fuck out. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/267 "2019-07-07T23:21:11Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Right, forming “alliances” with like-minded people. Like how hard is that? I mean AOC needs to form alliances with people in her own party who are vulnerable - who, if they lose, lose control of the House, thus rendering AOC completely and totally irrelevant. See, that’s how politics works. It’s a team sport - you can’t just score victories alone. This a thread about winning the presidency, no? AOC ain’t gotta do shit for that. The onus is on whomever is going to get the Dem nomination to make friends and lovers within the party. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/268 "2019-07-07T23:22:20Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > AOC and her Twitter posse can criticize Pelosi all she wants for passing the border funding bill. What she can’t say on Twitter, or anywhere else, is how she, Ilhar Omar, Rashida Talib, and others were going to strong-arm Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump into passing her version of the bill. Like it’s great that she knows how to use Twitter, but using Twitter isn’t legislating. Might be time for some of the more junior Democrats to start figuring it the fuck out. > [@](#): > > REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ (D-NY): Because you know, Jake, this is an issue not just of the substance of the bill but also the process of how we got here. We passed a House version of this bill which had far more humanitarian provisions and accountability – and accountability for the facilities that are abusing kids at our border. > > And Mitch McConnell immediately smacked it down in order to pass and rammed through a Senate bill that has an enormous amount of funding for military as well as no guardrails and no accountability for facilities that are abusing our kids. So that’s the bill that’s in front of us here in front of the House. > > **However, we didn’t even bother to negotiate. There our House amendments. We could have negotiated it in. We could have conference, we could have tried to get amendments in to get humanitarian provisions put in, to get consequences for facilities that abuse kids in, and instead what we’re doing is that we’re immediately going to just saying yes to what got passed out of the Senate.** > > And these are two completely different dynamics. The Senate, you have a minority Democratic Party there, \*\*and here we are the House of Representatives and we are a House majority and we need to act like it. \*\* [http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1906/27/cg.02.html](http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1906/27/cg.02.html) …this…doesn’t sound like an unreasonable position. A position that has absolutely nothing to do with twitter, and absolutely everything to do with using the tools the House Democrats have to negotiate for a better bill. I don’t think its the junior Democrats who need to figure things the fuck out. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/269 "2019-07-08T00:11:07Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > [CNN.com - Transcripts](http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1906/27/cg.02.html) > > …this…doesn’t sound like an unreasonable position. A position that has absolutely nothing to do with twitter, and absolutely everything to do with using the tools the House Democrats have to negotiate for a better bill. I don’t think its the junior Democrats who need to figure things the fuck out. What she leaves out is the fact that the House and Senate were about to go on holiday recess, which meant that the funding would have run out and the very people she is trying to help would have quite likely been hurt even worse than they already were. The House Democrats had absolutely no leverage – none. You can argue that some Senate Democrats were too quick to agree with McConnell, and maybe there’s a kernel of truth, but the real problem is how the Republicans have for the past 8 years used the federal budget to hold the Democrats hostage pretty much every 3-6 months like clockwork. I have no solutions for that other than voting the mother fuckers out of office, and the only way that can happen is for Democrats to pick and choose the fights the want to have and for reasons that make sense. I’d love to embarrass and shame Republicans as much as the next person, but holding up a bill to fund administrative services that are about to run out of funding is essentially using these migrants as emotional props, which kinda flies in the face of wanting to help them. Pass the damn bill and be done with it – it’s not like the conditions AOC are complaining about are going to go away anytime soon. She can complain about them once there’s more money going their way. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/270 "2019-07-08T00:13:00Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > [CNN.com - Transcripts](http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1906/27/cg.02.html) > > …this…doesn’t sound like an unreasonable position. A position that has absolutely nothing to do with twitter, and absolutely everything to do with using the tools the House Democrats have to negotiate for a better bill. I don’t think its the junior Democrats who need to figure things the fuck out. Well… it really _is_ an unreasonable position. There was neither time nor political room to negotiate that Senate bill. You may not know or remember that the House had sent up a different bill already and that the intractable Senate had stripped out the bits of the bill with higher accountability in them. And that there had already been talk of drastic cuts of recreational activites and other humane provisions at the facilities where children are being held due to “funding.” And that Pelosi, who can very well count votes, DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES for any alternate writing of the funding bill. So yes, those junior Dems need to figure things the fuck out. Sometimes the stinky thing is much better than the unacceptable rotten thing. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/271 "2019-07-08T00:13:39Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > This a thread about winning the presidency, no? AOC ain’t gotta do shit for that. The onus is on whomever is going to get the Dem nomination to make friends and lovers within the party. You’re really not thinking here. It’s the coalition that matters, and people like AOC are absolutely part and parcel of any coalition that Democrats would need in order to drum up support for their candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/272 "2019-07-08T00:27:26Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > What she leaves out is the fact that the House and Senate were about to go on holiday recess, which meant that the funding would have run out and the very people she is trying to help would have quite likely been hurt even worse than they already were. …ummm, she didn’t leave that out. Its in the transcript. They can [delay recess](https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/07/31/House-delays-recess-to-salvage-border-bill/5451406815394/). > [@](#): > > The House Democrats had absolutely no leverage – none. You can argue that some Senate Democrats were too quick to agree with McConnell, and maybe there’s a kernel of truth, but the real problem is how the Republicans have for the past 8 years used the federal budget to hold the Democrats hostage pretty much every 3-6 months like clockwork. Then lets pack up and go home. Why should the House Democrats attempt to do anything? Just give up. Doing nothing for the next two years and hope for the best at the next election is a terrible strategy. > [@](#): > > I have no solutions for that other than voting the mother fuckers out of office, and the only way that can happen is for Democrats to pick and choose the fights the want to have and for reasons that make sense. Except there is every chance that Trump won’t get voted out of office, that the Senate will be returned again with a Republican majority, so if that happens what will “make sense” to do then? When do you actually start to fight back? You can’t afford to “cross your fingers” and hope that it all come right in 2020. > [@](#): > > I’d love to embarrass and shame Republicans as much as the next person, but holding up a bill to fund administrative services that are about to run out of funding is essentially using these migrants as emotional props, which kinda flies in the face of wanting to help them. Who said it was about “embarrassing and shame?” It was about passing a better bill. Using the tools that the House has available to pass a bill with real accountability. > [@](#): > > Pass the damn bill and be done with it – it’s not like the conditions AOC are complaining about are going to go away anytime soon. She can complain about them once there’s more money going their way. You should be expecting your representatives to do a fuck-ton more than just “complain.” People are suffering: people have died. AOC has done more to shine a spotlight on the camps than anything any other Democrat has done. Its incredibly dismissive to characterize that as “complaining.” ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/273 "2019-07-08T00:46:03Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > So yes, **those junior Dems need to figure things the fuck out**. Sometimes the stinky thing is much better than the unacceptable rotten thing. …nah, I don’t think they do. They’ve been marginalised by their very own leadership so why shouldn’t they speak out? They are representing the will of their constituents, they are doing their job. They think more could have been done. They’ve watched the House leadership capitulate over and over again. They weren’t wrong to speak out. We all have our opinion on what will defeat Trump in 2020. I don’t think attacking those Junior Dems will do anything to help the Dems chances. Throwing them under the bus to “improve the centerist brand” throws all their supporters under the bus. You are telling them that “they don’t matter as much as those \*\*white Trump voters \*\*that we really really want.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/274 "2019-07-08T00:54:55Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What about McConnell during the EIGHT Obama years? By implication, you’re saying that Obama could have gotten more done by using the power of the presidency against Mitch? > > Not being snarky or challenging… I’d really like to know if you think this would have been possible. Mitch didnt try to shut down everything Dem during the Obama years. Note also that the dems controlled the senate for the first four of those years. And yes, Biden knows where the skeletons are buried and many Senators owe him. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/275 "2019-07-08T00:58:00Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > [CNN.com - Transcripts](http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1906/27/cg.02.html) > > …this…doesn’t sound like an unreasonable position. A position that has absolutely nothing to do with twitter, and absolutely everything to do with using the tools the House Democrats have to negotiate for a better bill. I don’t think its the junior Democrats who need to figure things the fuck out. Let’s be frank. If Pelosi couldn’t negotiate it, AOC would’t have had a chance in hell. Because you see, whatever the House put in the Senate can take out- or simply not pass. Here, AOC is showing how naive she is. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/276 "2019-07-08T01:00:27Z")
**Banquet Bear** , your take on recent House history is mistaken. That’s not your fault, given news coverage and popular progressive opinion, but it’s not correct either. I’ll say one more time, a negotiated bill _was not going to happen_. Conditions in the detention centers _would have worsened with no bill passed_, and that worsening of conditions, because of the rules of American beltway journalism, _would have been blamed on the Democrats_. So the tactic preferred by AOC and others, though absolutely well intentioned, would have led to a lose-lose for the detainees and the Democratic Party. Pelosi did the responsible thing, and where AOC _et al_ fucked up was not in expressing their dissatisfaction but in claiming the leadership were “irresponsible.” These juniors are very smart people and should be listened to about policy and innovation, but they are comparative _political_ naifs who need to learn from the professionals. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/277 "2019-07-08T01:08:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Let’s be frank. If Pelosi couldn’t negotiate it, AOC would’t have had a chance in hell. …what did Pelosi try to negotiate? > [@](#): > > Because you see, whatever the House put in the Senate can take out- or simply not pass. > > Here, AOC is showing how naive she is. Look at the date of the transcript. > [@](#): > > The vote provoked intense Democratic infighting and came after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi backed down from an effort to make changes to the legislation, saying instead that the House would “reluctantly” take up the Senate bill “to get resources to the children fastest.” That announcement marked a reversal from her previous calls to reconcile the Senate bill with a measure passed by the House that progressives argued would have done far more to protect migrant children in government custody. [https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/27/politics/border-funding-migrant-crisis-nancy-pelosi-house-senate-bills/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/27/politics/border-funding-migrant-crisis-nancy-pelosi-house-senate-bills/index.html) Pelosi backed down. There is nothing wrong with calling her out on that. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/278 "2019-07-08T01:26:26Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > Sure he did work with Eastland and it was probably justified in the context of the time but there was absolutely no point reminding primary voters about this in 2019. A politician isn’t obligated to blurt out everything about their history regardless of context. It’s not a bad thing. To paraphrase, “I got positive things accomplished when I had to work with avowed segregationists! Trump is a puppy dog compared to those hardcore guys.” ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/279 "2019-07-08T01:34:11Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > **Banquet Bear** , your take on recent House history is mistaken. That’s not your fault, given news coverage and popular progressive opinion, but it’s not correct either. I’ll say one more time, a negotiated bill _was not going to happen_. Conditions in the detention centers _would have worsened with no bill passed_, and that worsening of conditions, because of the rules of American beltway journalism, **_would have been blamed on the Democrats_.** …in simpler words: its all about “the narrative.” “Don’t do the right thing because they will spin it to make it look like we did the wrong thing.” Its this fear of the narrative that is entirely the problem. And that fear shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of how “messaging” works in the 21st century. AOC’s use of the word “concentration camp” was declared an utter failure by the pundits immediately after it happened. But it wasn’t a failure. It reset the debate. It changed the conversation. It moved the goalposts. You don’t have to let them control the narrative. > [@](#): > > So the tactic preferred by AOC and others, though absolutely well intentioned, would have led to a lose-lose for the detainees and the Democratic Party. Pelosi did the responsible thing, and where AOC _et al_ fucked up was not in expressing their dissatisfaction but in claiming the leadership were “irresponsible.” These juniors are very smart people and should be listened to about policy and innovation, but they are comparative _political_ naifs who need to learn from the professionals. The “professionals” have decided not to impeach, they’ve decided not to hold anyone to account for refusing subpoena and refusing demands for information. Its all a deliberate strategy by “the professionals” to make as little trouble as possible to appeal to “the centre” and to win in 2020. The “professionals” have decided to gamble. I think the “professionals” have gotten things very wrong. If it was just this bill in isolation I’d probably look at it differently. But it isn’t just this bill. The bill is just another concession in a long line of concessions. And if it all goes wrong in 2020 the Democrats have nowhere to go. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/280 "2019-07-08T01:43:20Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …in simpler words: its all about “the narrative.” “Don’t do the right thing because they will spin it to make it look like we did the wrong thing.” > > Its this fear of the narrative that is entirely the problem. And that fear shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of how “messaging” works in the 21st century. AOC’s use of the word “concentration camp” was declared an utter failure by the pundits immediately after it happened. But it wasn’t a failure. It reset the debate. It changed the conversation. It moved the goalposts. You don’t have to let them control the narrative. > > The “professionals” have decided not to impeach, they’ve decided not to hold anyone to account for refusing subpoena and refusing demands for information. Its all a deliberate strategy by “the professionals” to make as little trouble as possible to appeal to “the centre” and to win in 2020. > > The “professionals” have decided to gamble. I think the “professionals” have gotten things very wrong. If it was just this bill in isolation I’d probably look at it differently. But it isn’t just this bill. The bill is just another concession in a long line of concessions. And if it all goes wrong in 2020 the Democrats have nowhere to go. You think the moneyed class and the elite that fund both parties truly want the progressive wing to ascend? They need the votes, obviously, but they don’t want the far left empowered. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728.md?page=15)