# Do you think Trump will win in 2020? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 19, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728 "2019-06-19T01:50:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/561 "2019-08-08T15:43:45Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Is there any moderately to very successful business whose owners do NOT support Republicans? I would guess that most of them either donate to Republicans or to both parties. Of course there are. The following dataset isn’t a list of political affiliation of businessowners by business type, but Verdant Labs did a study on the relative political affiliations of _professions_, which may provide context about the political leanings of those who start businesses within those professions. > **[Democratic vs. Republican occupations](https://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html)** > > Most librarians are Democrats. Most farmers are Republicans. Pediatricians lean left, urologists right. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/562 "2019-08-08T16:25:41Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Of course there are. > > The following dataset isn’t a list of political affiliation of businessowners by business type, but Verdant Labs did a study on the relative political affiliations of _professions_, which may provide context about the political leanings of those who start businesses within those professions. > > [Democratic vs. Republican occupations](http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html) Well, I’m sure there are some, but my point was that if you were to boycott all businesses that supported Republicans, you’d have difficulty functioning in society. Your chart seems to refer to individuals who are employed in those occupations, not the employers. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/563 "2019-08-08T16:45:01Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Is there any moderately to very successful business whose owners do NOT support Republicans? I would guess that most of them either donate to Republicans or to both parties. > **[Warren Buffett | Political and public policy views](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett#Political_and_public_policy_views)** > > In addition to political contributions over the years, Buffett endorsed and made campaign contributions to Barack Obama's presidential campaign. On July 2, 2008, Buffett attended a $28,500 per plate fundraiser for Obama's campaign in Chicago. Buffett intimated that John McCain's views on social justice were so far from his own that McCain would need a "lobotomy" for Buffett to change his endorsement. During the second 2008 U.S. presidential debate, McCain and Obama, after being asked fi On Decemb... > **[Tom Steyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Steyer)** > > Thomas Fahr Steyer (/ˈstaɪ.ər/; born June 27, 1957) is an American climate investor, businessman, hedge fund manager, philanthropist, environmentalist, and liberal activist. Steyer is the co-founder and co-chair of Galvanize Climate Solutions, founder and former co-senior-managing-partner of Farallon Capital and the co-founder of OneCalifornia Bank, which became (through merger) Beneficial State Bank, an Oakland-based community development bank. Farallon Capital manages $20 billion in In 2010, ... > **[Michael Bloomberg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg)** > > Michael Rubens Bloomberg (born February 14, 1942) is an American businessman, politician, philanthropist, and author. He is the majority owner and co-founder of Bloomberg L.P., and was its CEO from 1981 to 2001 and again from 2014 to 2023. He served as the mayor of New York City for three terms from 2002 to 2013 and was a candidate for the 2020 Democratic nomination for president of the United States. He has served as chair of the Defense Innovation Board, an independent advisory board that... [https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/01/politics/democratic-billionaire-donors/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/01/politics/democratic-billionaire-donors/index.html) Actually, about half of big time businessmen support the Dems, altho many businesses give to both. Of course the issue isnt to boycott the company that writes a modest check, it’s to get at the big million $ donors. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/564 "2019-08-08T16:53:42Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Well, I’m sure there are some, but my point was that if you were to boycott all businesses that supported Republicans, you’d have difficulty functioning in society. Could we just agree to boycott all businesses that support Trump? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/565 "2019-08-08T16:58:01Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Could we just agree to boycott all businesses that support Trump? You cant and wont. And a lot of businesses write checks to both sides. But you _can_ boycott the big spenders. Major supporters. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/566 "2019-08-08T17:11:06Z")
Because I’m always interested in getting more votes for my poll: [Do you prefer to use businesses whose political views match yours?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=879564) ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/567 "2019-08-11T05:38:46Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > And I would say nominating Bernie would give the election to Trump in a walk. Yep. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/568 "2019-08-11T06:32:10Z")
Biden’s stumbles and Warren’s rise are making me much less confident in my No vote, which I guess means it’s really a tie. I feel a duty to try to push people towards more electable options, but if at some point it becomes clear that one of those two is sure to win the nomination, I will probably have to cross my fingers, give a few bucks to the DNC, and quit cold turkey again\* on all political news until 11/4/20. I just can’t bear to spend months watching a needlessly weak nominee try ineffectually to fight day in and day out against the worst president in American history. \*Twice, for the better part of a year each time, I cut all political news out of my perception. The first was after Bush’s reelection in 2004, and the second was after Trump’s election. This time I could easily see myself going from spring 2020 to when primary season starts again in 2023, other than that quick check to see if hopefully Trump still lost even against a weak Democratic nominee. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/569 "2019-08-14T16:54:16Z")
‘He gets it’: Evangelicals aren’t turned off by Trump’s first term > **[‘He gets it’: Evangelicals aren’t turned off by Trump’s first term](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/evangelicals-arent-turned-off-by-trumps-first-term--theyre-delighted-by-it/2019/08/11/3911bc88-a990-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html)** > > Religious voters say the president has made good on promises and taken on key issues. > [@](#): > > … In conversation, evangelical voters paint the portrait of the Trump they see: a president who acts like a bully but is fighting for them. A president who sees America like they do, a menacing place where white Christians feel mocked and threatened for their beliefs. A president who’s against abortion and gay rights and who has the economy humming to boot. > > “You’ve just got to accept the bad with the good,” Halbert said. > … > > Trump looked to many like a protector, a brash culture warrior who would take their side. “He said, ‘I’m gonna fight for you. I’m gonna defend you,’ ” said Ralph Reed, the chair of the Faith and Freedom Coalition in Georgia, which will distribute millions of voter-guide pamphlets at churches to drive evangelical turnout in 2020. “He gets it. He knows they’re hungry for that.” > > Reed, and others, don’t necessarily expect Trump to fix the problems they see. On gay rights in particular — by far the most drastic change in American attitudes in this century — evangelicals fought hard to block marriage equality. But now, many believe that ship has sailed. > > While they cheer Trump’s many efforts to chip away at LGBT rights, they are much more concerned with protecting their own right to maintain their opposition. > > They want to be able to teach their values without interference — some churchgoers fretted about school textbooks that refer to transgender identities without condemnation and about gay couples showing up in TV commercials every time they try to watch a show with their children. > > … > > For many, abortion was the defining issue of the last election. In Appleton, Wis., the Rev. A.J. Dudek sat with several leaders of men’s Bible study groups recently in his megachurch’s huge curving lobby. > > “Do I enjoy his tweets? No,” Dudek said about the president. But he believes the agenda far outweighs that concern. “If Donald Trump will help save a couple million babies, that’s a good thing. My vote has to align with my view of God’s word — I should care for the baby in the womb.” > … Not that Donald actually believes any of this stuff. He has no beliefs or principles except self-promotion. It’s all for votes. If the biggest, loudest voting block was pro-abortion–not just pro-CHOICE, but actually promoting abortion as the first choice for birth control-- he’d not only be **for** it, he’d figure out a way to slap the Trump brand on it and put Ivanka in charge, so he could make money. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/570 "2019-08-14T17:43:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > ‘He gets it’: Evangelicals aren’t turned off by Trump’s first term > [https://wapo.st/2ORY7Z5](https://wapo.st/2ORY7Z5) > Not that Donald actually believes any of this stuff. He has no beliefs or principles except self-promotion. It’s all for votes. If the biggest, loudest voting block was pro-abortion–not just pro-CHOICE, but actually promoting abortion as the first choice for birth control-- he’d not only be **for** it, he’d figure out a way to slap the Trump brand on it and put Ivanka in charge, so he could make money. I agree that Evangelicals like Trump’s in-your-face warrior style, but analysts are missing the importance of their transactional relationship. They know that Trump is absolutely not a Christian or anything close to a true believer in Jesus, but it doesn’t matter. What matters for Evangelicals is similar to what matters to oligarchs who want their tax cuts and similar to what matters to white nationalists who want policies of bigotry: he delivers the goods. And if he can’t do it through legislation, he can do it with executive orders, court fights, or by simply tilting administrative power where it favors the cause and refusing to enforce laws when it doesn’t. Trump says fuck the process and fuck the system, and they love it because it has immediate impact. And in addition to that, I think some of these people just enjoy seeing people writhe in pain, as it makes themselves feel more powerful. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/571 "2019-08-14T18:05:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I agree that Evangelicals like Trump’s in-your-face warrior style, but analysts are missing the importance of their transactional relationship. They know that Trump is absolutely not a Christian or anything close to a true believer in Jesus, but it doesn’t matter. What matters for Evangelicals is similar to what matters to oligarchs who want their tax cuts and similar to what matters to white nationalists who want policies of bigotry: he delivers the goods. And if he can’t do it through legislation, he can do it with executive orders, court fights, or by simply tilting administrative power where it favors the cause and refusing to enforce laws when it doesn’t. Trump says fuck the process and fuck the system, and they love it because it has immediate impact. … There’s a story told about Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant during the Civil War. Grant was known as a drunk and at various times people urged Lincoln to replace him. Despite Grant’s failings, Lincoln stuck by his choice of commanders with the phrase “I can’t spare this man; he fights.” President Trump fights too. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/572 "2019-08-14T18:13:51Z")
Lol, no. I fight. He whines. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/573 "2019-08-14T18:27:17Z")
On the occasions when he actually “fights” rather than whining or capitulating, Trump fights hardest against brown and black people. That’s he came to prominence in politics – birtherism. That’s how he won the Republican primary – by slandering migrants, Mexicans, and Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/574 "2019-08-14T18:32:07Z")
I recall a saying (paraphrased) that everyone wants someone who says out loud what they are thinking deep down in private. Trump did that for many evangelicals. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/575 "2019-08-14T18:42:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > On the occasions when he actually “fights” rather than whining or capitulating, Trump fights hardest against brown and black people. That’s he came to prominence in politics – birtherism. That’s how he won the Republican primary – by slandering migrants, Mexicans, and Muslims. White conservatives identify with his bullying because many of them are either bullies themselves, already having positions of power - or they want to become bullies and seek opportunities to take their frustrations out on more vulnerable people. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/576 "2019-08-14T19:07:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Not that Donald actually believes any of this stuff. He has no beliefs or principles except self-promotion. It’s all for votes. If the biggest, loudest voting block was pro-abortion–not just pro-CHOICE, but actually promoting abortion as the first choice for birth control – he’d . . . be **for** it . . . I can’t find a cite right now, but this is very similar to what I once read about Reinhard Heydrich - that he would have been a great champion and protector of the Jews if that’s what Himmler and Hitler had wanted. All that mattered to him was winning their admiration and being known as someone who gets things done and being seen as a success. Extermination, protection, whatever it took. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/577 "2019-08-14T19:57:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > On the occasions when he actually “fights” rather than whining or capitulating, Trump fights hardest against brown and black people. That’s he came to prominence in politics – birtherism. That’s how he won the Republican primary – by slandering migrants, Mexicans, and Muslims. Yes, Trump punches down and always has. But American evangelicals see themselves as a minority under attack in a nation growing more secular and more socially tolerant by the day. Donald is their Champion standing up to the unchurched leftists who allow abortions and same sex marriages and who pollute the television airwaves with their messages of equality and tolerance. It is a constant source of wonderment to me that so many evangelicals can be so kind and generous on a personal level yet so intolerant of people outside what they consider mainstream culture. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/578 "2019-08-14T20:17:07Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > ‘He gets it’: Evangelicals aren’t turned off by Trump’s first term > [https://wapo.st/2ORY7Z5](https://wapo.st/2ORY7Z5) > Not that Donald actually believes any of this stuff. He has no beliefs or principles except self-promotion. It’s all for votes. If the biggest, loudest voting block was pro-abortion–not just pro-CHOICE, but actually promoting abortion as the first choice for birth control-- he’d not only be **for** it, he’d figure out a way to slap the Trump brand on it and put Ivanka in charge, so he could make money. I could see a Republican Congress passing some anti-abortion bill. It goes to Donald’s desk and his secretary says “The abortion bill is on your desk”, to which he would say “I thought I already paid it”. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/579 "2019-08-14T20:37:22Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Yes, Trump punches down and always has. But American evangelicals see themselves as a minority under attack in a nation growing more secular and more socially tolerant by the day. I don’t buy that they see themselves as under attack; I see it more as frustration that they’re losing influence, which is what religion has always been about since the first day the first religion or spiritual group was founded in human history. Religion serves as a social structure. I’m not one of those who says “fuck religion, it all sucks” but there’s no denying that the implicit nature of religion is that it seeks to influence people and form a community according to a set of philosophical principles. Some groups are premised on principles of flexibility, individuality, choice, and tolerance, but Evangelical faiths are not like that. Trump is popular with Evangelicals because he is an authoritarian, just like they are also authoritarians. Moreover, they like him because he is not just telling them they’re not wrong for being authoritarian, but he’s green-lighting religiously-inspired aggression against competing faiths, against those without faith, and against secular institutions. The Courts, the IRS, academic interpretations of the constitution, and many individual figures in mainstream society have critiqued the Evangelicals and advocated curbing their power. He’s unchaining them and letting those dogs run wild. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728/580 "2019-08-14T22:18:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t buy that they see themselves as under attack; I see it more as frustration that they’re losing influence These two things often go hand in hand. They’re not contradictory at all. Also, plenty do feel attacked, or promote the view that Christians are attacked. Some sources: [Vox article: Mike Pence tells graduates to be prepared to face attacks](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/13/18617717/pence-liberty-university-speech-christians-attack) CNN article: [White evangelicals feel that Christian values are under attack](https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/24/politics/white-working-class-evangelicals/index.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-think-trump-will-win-in-2020/835728.md?page=30)