# Do you want fries with that? (McDonald's employee beats customers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 15, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693 "2011-10-15T00:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/41 "2011-10-15T02:04:08Z")
Handsome Harry. You can walk on my lawn any time 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/42 "2011-10-15T02:05:43Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > But after they are down and it’s clear they are no longer a threat … you keep beating them while everyone is screaming for you to stop? That’s just sick. Not to defend the guy with the 4-Iron. But we can’t see what’s going on behind the counter after they both go down maybe they’re going after him who knows. Either way, retards all the way around. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/43 "2011-10-15T02:08:01Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I realize you suspect this all stemmed from some “baby daddy” drama, but I think you are incorrect about this. I’m pretty sure that trespassing can pretty much mean going on property that you don’t belong on. Just to be clear, I’m not assuming it’s specifically ‘baby daddy drama’ I was just throwing ideas out there as thoughts as to what could be going on between them before this happened. But yes. You’re right, if they were asked to leave and didn’t that couldn’t be construed as trespassing. However, if they weren’t physically able to walk at the time, I’m not sure the charges would hold up in court. Unless they were asked to leave at some point before the melee, I’m willing to bet it happened before that day. If someone wants to look around to see if Greenwich has their public records online, everyone’s names have been posted in the various articles. It shouldn’t be too hard to figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/44 "2011-10-15T02:16:23Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > I don’t think he went terribly too far. > You can see in the vid that they aren’t out of commission once they go to the ground; he doesn’t reach down far enough to hit somebody on the ground. I’m pretty sure the big-ass metal pipe he was holding was more than sufficient to reach the ground. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/45 "2011-10-15T02:18:53Z")
I kind of look at this like those Darwin Awards. People certainly do NOT deserve to die just from being stupid. But there is a dark humor to it. Crazy bitches slap some guy then jump the counter to attack and end up getting the shit beat out of em? Way funnier. First, because they lived. Second because they were doing shit that no civilized person should do, unlike the poor Darwin award people who just had the “crime” of being stupid/unlucky. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/46 "2011-10-15T02:41:23Z")
He definitely went too far. If there were any doubt, the reactions of everyone around him, screaming at him to stop, indicates that the women on the floor are no longer a danger. And he didn’t hit either of them in the head while they were standing up, so the headshot must have been when they were already on the ground. Did both of them hit him? I can’t quite tell if the first slap was by the woman in the dress or the woman in the hoodie. If they both hit him they should still be charged with assault despite their injuries. > [@handsomeharry](#): > > Don’t be crazy. If you stop beating somebody who attacks you because everybody is screaming at you to stop, you are going to be in a world of hurt. > Ask me how I know!!! > > hh Because you fantasise about it a lot? I don’t understand how you and bill think you look like big brave men by applauding the staff member. You know, I could probably manage to beat someone badly if I had a weapon and they didn’t and they were already on the floor, but that wouldn’t make me brave, just vicious. ---
**Author:** ![GameHat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ed655f/32.png) [@GameHat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GameHat)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/47 "2011-10-15T02:42:18Z")
Way too far. I couldn’t bring myself to watch the whole thing. When a random innocent bystander is screaming/crying “STOP!”, and the co-workers are trying to restrain him, and he keeps beating the downed woman(s?) with a metal bar, that’s way beyond what I can tolerate. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/48 "2011-10-15T02:48:26Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > I don’t understand how you and bill think you look like big brave men by applauding the staff member. You know, I could probably manage to beat someone badly if I had a weapon and they didn’t and they were already on the floor, but that wouldn’t make me brave, just vicious. Who the hell said he was brave? And who said saying he was brave somehow made us brave? They did stupid shit and paid the price. And think about it. Some guy has spent 10 years of his young adult hood in a prison. I highly suspect that makes one a bit more violent, particularly when TWO people slap you and then come after you. Like I said, Darwin awards. ---
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/49 "2011-10-15T02:49:55Z")
Don’t start none, there won’t be none. Having worked fast food and experienced shitty, triflin’, drunkass belligerent customers (none of whom ever physically assaulted me, admittedly), I just can’t muster up any sympathy for these bitches. You slap someone and you jump the damn counter you’d better be prepared to finish what you started. Lesson of the day: watch who you fuck with, they must might be crazy. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/50 "2011-10-15T02:58:24Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I’m pretty sure the big-ass metal pipe he was holding was more than sufficient to reach the ground. Watch the video again. hh ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/51 "2011-10-15T03:00:09Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Handsome Harry. You can walk on my lawn any time 🙂 😃 ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/52 "2011-10-15T03:04:36Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > He definitely went too far. If there were any doubt, the reactions of everyone around him, screaming at him to stop, indicates that the women on the floor are no longer a danger. And he didn’t hit either of them in the head while they were standing up, so the headshot must have been when they were already on the ground. > > Did both of them hit him? I can’t quite tell if the first slap was by the woman in the dress or the woman in the hoodie. If they both hit him they should still be charged with assault despite their injuries. > > Because you fantasise about it a lot? > > I don’t understand how you and bill think you look like big brave men by applauding the staff member. You know, I could probably manage to beat someone badly if I had a weapon and they didn’t and they were already on the floor, but that wouldn’t make me brave, just vicious. Your zinging wit is excelled only by your poor spelling; oh, and your jumping to conclusions as to how bill and I feel. Oh, and what we consider brave. Nobody cares if \*you \*are brave or not; nobody cares if _you_ are vicious. Nobody cares what you consider bravery, since it’s not been an issue in this thread. You don’t even fit in this equation about weapons, floors, fantasiZing. We are talking about the employee at MacDonald’s. Also, start to do some reading. The ‘Ask me how I know’ meme is universally regarded as meaning "I’ve been there before…’ hh ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/53 "2011-10-15T03:05:31Z")
I don’t think people are properly appreciating what happens when people get attacked in a fight. This isn’t some refereed Marquis of Queensbury fight, this is two aggressive and violent people going after one person to give him a beat down and do damage. The notion that the person being attacked should be precisely moderating the level of his defense is interesting. If two adult violent people go after me in real life to give me (or threaten to give me) a beat down I’m not too interested in making sure I have a precisely moderated response. It’s been correctly pointed out that if these were two men going after a women behind the counter, and she handed their asses to them in the same way the person defending himself did in the video, she would be receiving a medal, not horrified reactions at having gone overboard. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/54 "2011-10-15T03:14:42Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Your zinging wit is excelled only by your poor spelling; oh, and your jumping to conclusions as to how bill and I feel. Oh, and what we consider brave. > Nobody cares if \*you \*are brave or not; nobody cares if _you_ are vicious. Nobody cares what you consider bravery, since it’s not been an issue in this thread. You don’t even fit in this equation about weapons, floors, fantasiZing. > We are talking about the employee at MacDonald’s. > Also, start to do some reading. The ‘Ask me how I know’ meme is universally regarded as meaning "I’ve been there before…’ > > hh **SciFiSam’s** spelling is all perfectly correct, considering that she is in the UK and that is how they spell things there. However, McDonald’s is spelled “McDonald’s” no matter what country you’re in. Regarding **astro** ’s post, I don’t think anyone expects the guy to have “precisely moderated” his response. Just to have stopped beating the shit out of his victim when the victim was lying on the ground incapacitated. ---
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/55 "2011-10-15T03:16:16Z")
I think astro just won the thread, FWIW. I may have found a new brain crush … ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/56 "2011-10-15T03:31:07Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I don’t think people are properly appreciating what happens when people get attacked in a fight. This isn’t some refereed Marquis of Queensbury fight, this is two aggressive and violent people going after one person to give him a beat down and do damage. The notion that the person being attacked should be precisely moderating the level of his defense is interesting. > > If two adult violent people go after me in real life to give me (or threaten to give me) a beat down I’m not too interested in making sure I have a precisely moderated response. It’s been correctly pointed out that if these were two men going after a women behind the counter, and she handed their asses to them in the same way the person defending himself did in the video, she would be receiving a medal, not horrified reactions at having gone overboard. For one thing, the fact that it _was_ two women going after a man can’t be ignored completely. Gender differences do matter here. And as far as the “attack response” of the McDonald’s employee, I’ve said it in the other thread and I’ll say it here; there is a significant difference between being on “survival mode” in a fight of self defense, doing everything you can to win and having no mercy on a fellow human being who has been defeated and is presenting no threat. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/57 "2011-10-15T03:42:17Z")
> [@astro](#): > > **I don’t think people are properly appreciating what happens when people get attacked in a fight. This isn’t some refereed Marquis of Queensbury fight, this is two aggressive and violent people going after one person to give him a beat down and do damage.** The notion that the person being attacked should be precisely moderating the level of his defense is interesting. > > If two adult violent people go after me in real life to give me (or threaten to give me) a beat down I’m not too interested in making sure I have a precisely moderated response.\*\* It’s been correctly pointed out that if these were two men going after a women behind the counter, and she handed their asses to them in the same way the person defending himself did in the video, she would be receiving a medal, not horrified reactions at having gone overboard.\*\* Astro nails it. Did the McDonald’s employee get a bit overheated? Well, maybe. But he was PISSED OFF. I’d be pissed off (and I have been) if two people came at me like that, but I’m a small middle-aged white woman so without a criminal record so I’d probably be given a pass all else being equal. Yes, the Mcdonald’s dude goes overboard. But in the adrenalin heat of the moment, I don’t blame him at all. He was attacked by two people for absolutely no valid reason at all except they chose to be shrieking, violent harpies. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/58 "2011-10-15T03:43:32Z")
Once they were down, I want to hope my aggression toward the assailants would have stopped. I honestly don’t know how I would have reacted if someone came over the counter where I worked. I hope I would have stopped once they were down, but I just don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/59 "2011-10-15T03:47:37Z")
“A bit overheated” /= “repeatedly beating the shit out of someone with a pipe after the person is already lying on the ground incapacitated.” Hell, I will even give the guy a couple of freebie “floor whacks”, because I am generous like that. But at the point when other people are trying to pull you off the bleeding and defeated person on the floor, and random passersby are screaming bloody murder, it is probably time to stop teeing off on the victim’s head. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/60 "2011-10-15T03:54:23Z")
Yeah but the video doesn’t show, and all the passersby can’t really tell, what’s happening on the ground so it’s only supposition that they are bleeding and defeated. What I figure is, two people leap over a counter with intent to do violent harm at a place of business for no good reason except they’re feeling stroppy, they deserve to be fucked up. Better they be fucked up and only charged with disorderly conduct and a minor charge than not get fucked up and get charged with attempted muder, no? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693.md?page=4)