# Do you want fries with that? (McDonald's employee beats customers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 15, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693 "2011-10-15T00:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/81 "2011-10-15T14:57:16Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Now see, I’d say the _moral_ of the story is: when you can walk away after being slapped and not hurt by someone, _keep on walking._ And if they keep coming, hit them until they stop moving. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/82 "2011-10-15T15:12:16Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Now see, I’d say the _moral_ of the story is: when you can walk away after being slapped and not hurt by someone, _keep on walking._ It was his job, where was he supposed to walk to? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/83 "2011-10-15T16:13:33Z")
I gotta say, after looking at the vids, it seems the employee was in the right. The girls went after him. The guy hits them a few times and you see them fall, but one of them tries to get up. She should have stayed down. Can probably assume the other one was trying to get up too, though the camera doesn’t really capture that. And it wasn’t some thick metal pipe. It was a bent piece of metal, thinner than a tire iron. It made a slapping noise as it hit, so it probably wasn’t a pounding so much as a slapping feel. Unfortunately the camera doesn’t capture the last few hits as it pans left, but by this time I’m more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/84 "2011-10-15T16:25:44Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > “A bit overheated” /= “repeatedly beating the shit out of someone with a pipe after the person is already lying on the ground incapacitated.” > > Hell, I will even give the guy a couple of freebie “floor whacks”, because I am generous like that. But at the point when other people are trying to pull you off the bleeding and defeated person on the floor, and random passersby are screaming bloody murder, it is probably time to stop teeing off on the victim’s head. When you are in the heat of some sort of violent conflict, random pasersby shouting means: “Hey, I’m an interfering asshole, and I just want to run my mouth…and will probably interfere to your disadvantage.” Random passersby were just what the customers who attacked him were. (I know, I know…in \*this \*context.) Ask me how I know. hh ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/85 "2011-10-15T16:45:26Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > . > > I guess you also think that you would be able to identify the precise extent of someone’s injuries in about 3 seconds during an adrenaline rush in the middle of a fight. Have you thought of becoming a doctor? If you have one of those fancy “terminator” eyes with the computer display installed you can do it. And I think this guy had one. The problem for these idiots was that the first option on the display was “fuck the bitches up”. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/86 "2011-10-15T17:11:33Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I don’t think so. I can hear her say something to the effect of, “And that one back there with the ponytail!”. Makes me think they don’t know eachother. > > I think they just chose the wrong\* one to fuck with. It happens when you jump counters like real bad asses. > > \*and by ‘wrong’ I mean ‘fucking batshit bananas’. I agree. My father was a bartender and by law was prohibited from coming out from behind the bar to engage someone physically, regardless of provocation. But let them make any move to come _behind_ the bar and they were fair game. He had the right to protect himself and his till, pretty much whatever it took. These two posers needed a beat down to discourage them from trying that shit again. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/87 "2011-10-15T18:41:56Z")
Out of curiosity, would all the people on the tough-guy “those bitches deserved what they got” side still feel that way if the victim had died, rather than having a piddly little skull fracture? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/88 "2011-10-15T18:49:01Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Out of curiosity, would all the people on the tough-guy “those bitches deserved what they got” side still feel that way if the victim had died, rather than having a piddly little skull fracture? His skull got fractured? ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/89 "2011-10-15T18:51:40Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Your zinging wit is excelled only by your poor spelling; oh, and your jumping to conclusions as to how bill and I feel. Oh, and what we consider brave. > Nobody cares if \*you \*are brave or not; nobody cares if _you_ are vicious. Nobody cares what you consider bravery, since it’s not been an issue in this thread. You don’t even fit in this equation about weapons, floors, fantasiZing. > We are talking about the employee at MacDonald’s. > Also, start to do some reading. The ‘Ask me how I know’ meme is universally regarded as meaning "I’ve been there before…’ > > hh Er, ‘ask me how I know’ is not a meme. It’s a sentence whose meaning is obvious. Welcome to Gaudere’s Law, btw. The rest of your post makes no sense at all. What are you actually trying to say? > [@chiroptera](#): > > Yeah but the video doesn’t show, and all the passersby can’t really tell, what’s happening on the ground so it’s only supposition that they are bleeding and defeated. > > What I figure is, two people leap over a counter with intent to do violent harm at a place of business for no good reason except they’re feeling stroppy, they deserve to be fucked up. Better they be fucked up and only charged with disorderly conduct and a minor charge than not get fucked up and get charged with attempted muder, no? It’s reasonable to assume that the fracture skull must have occurred after the women were on the ground, since neither of them was hit on the head while they were standing. > [@Terr](#): > > Oh yes. And the guy with the club took something like 5 seconds out of the 15-second fight, with adrenaline flowing, to examine the two attackers and determine that they were no threat to him anymore. You think you would have done better? Yes. 😕 He was calm enough to asses the situation and determine they were no threat, yes… and then he decided to hit them anyway. I have been attacked a few times in my life and I didn’t find it hard to rein in my anger. The enormous feeling of control over my body was actually quite enjoyable. Astro hasn’t ‘won the thread’ because nobody was suggesting that the staffmember precisely moderate his behaviour. Hitting them? Reasonable. They hit him first and came behind the counter. Whacking them repeatedly when they were on the floor? In what insano world does it require ‘precise moderation’ to not do that? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/90 "2011-10-15T18:52:52Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Another life lesson is that if your opponent is down on the ground incapacitated and you keep attacking there will be unfortunate consequences. Yes, you might turn your back and your opponent will get up and/or stab or shoot you. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/91 "2011-10-15T19:01:01Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > His skull got fractured? Hee!! ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/92 "2011-10-15T19:04:23Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Out of curiosity, would all the people on the tough-guy “those bitches deserved what they got” side still feel that way if the victim had died, rather than having a piddly little skull fracture? Kinda like the Darwin award nominees. They didn’t DESERVE it, but it was certainly a possible foreseable consequence (and in this case from malicious, criminal, socially unacceptable, we think we can get away with it because we is women bullshit behavior). Too bad so sad. I do feel sorry for the poor damn guy. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/93 "2011-10-15T19:08:09Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > Yes, you might turn your back and your opponent will get up and/or stab or shoot you. Why would the man in this case turn his back? He could just stand over them and wait till the police arrive, surely? He could have ended up with commendation instead of a conviction. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/94 "2011-10-15T19:41:40Z")
OK, so, the opinion of some people in this thread is that killing someone is a reasonable response to any situation where you feel even the slightest bit threatened by their behavior. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/95 "2011-10-15T19:48:32Z")
And remember that as you go about in your daily life possibly being tempted to be jerk or get into somebody elses business. The life you save may be your own. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/96 "2011-10-15T19:50:52Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > OK, so, the opinion of some people in this thread is that killing someone is a reasonable response to any situation where you feel even the slightest bit threatened by their behavior. Got it. In the sense that _“even the slightest bit”_ is standing in for _“strikes you”_, and by _“killing someone”_ you mean _“retreating from an assailant who trespasses to pursue you, at which point you don’t kill them.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/97 "2011-10-15T19:51:11Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > OK, so, the opinion of some people in this thread is that killing someone is a reasonable response to any situation where you feel even the slightest bit threatened by their behavior. Got it. Regardless of the age, size, gender or physical condition of the person presenting that “threat”. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/98 "2011-10-15T19:53:15Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > In the sense that _“even the slightest bit”_ is standing in for _“strikes you”_, and by _“killing someone”_ you mean _“retreating from an assailant who trespasses to pursue you, at which point you don’t kill them.”_ Stop using “retreating from…” in such a disingenuous manner. He **was not** “retreating” in any sense of that word. He was going to the back of the kitchen to retrieve his bashing stick. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/99 "2011-10-15T19:54:37Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Stop using “retreating from…” in such a disingenuous manner. He **was not** “retreating” in any sense of that word. He was going to the back of the kitchen to retrieve his bashing stick. You’re assuming he would’ve used the stick if she hadn’t come over the counter? Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/100 "2011-10-15T19:58:51Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Stop using “retreating from…” in such a disingenuous manner. He **was not** “retreating” in any sense of that word. He was going to the back of the kitchen to retrieve his bashing stick. And thats why you don’t chase somebody. Another check on the bitches wuz stupid column. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693.md?page=6)