# Do you want fries with that? (McDonald's employee beats customers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 15, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693 "2011-10-15T00:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/101 "2011-10-15T20:00:08Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > You’re assuming he would’ve used the stick if she hadn’t come over the counter? Interesting. Where do you get that conclusion from? He didn’t _retreat_, in the sense that he was diffusing the situation. Upon seeing the girl go behind the counter, he went back to get his pipe. Using the word “retreat” paints him as trying to _end_ the situation peacefully, as opposed to the reality of the situation; a psycho going to get a weapon to inflict great bodily harm. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/102 "2011-10-15T20:03:21Z")
You know what they call a total pounding in France? A _Royale_ with cheese. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/103 "2011-10-15T20:04:22Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Upon seeing the girl go behind the counter, he went back to get his pipe. Using the word “retreat” paints him as trying to _end_ the situation peacefully, as opposed to the reality of the situation; a psycho going to get a weapon to inflict great bodily harm. The reality of a situation: a psycho came over the counter. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/104 "2011-10-15T20:07:40Z")
Ronald McDonald has developed quite an attitude. Bad, Bad Clown. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/105 "2011-10-15T20:23:14Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You know what they call a total pounding in France? > > A _Royale_ with cheese. Now thats funny! I think an ass whooping society would be a polite society myself. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/106 "2011-10-15T20:49:41Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The reality of a situation: a psycho came over the counter. No, a drunk retard came over the counter. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/107 "2011-10-15T21:02:55Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > He was calm enough to asses the situation and determine they were no threat, yes… and then he decided to hit them anyway. We’re talking about twenty-five seconds from the start of the assault until it’s over. That is nowhere near enough time to calm down from a fight-or-flight adrenaline response and start thinking rationally. Further to that, [according to eyewitnesses](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/rayon-mcintosh-mcdonalds-_n_1011580.html), “McIntosh ordered his assailants to stay down, and belted them each time they tried to get up.” (You can see on the video that he is speaking to them, but can’t hear what he is saying over the shrieking of horrified customers.) In the context of a ten-year stretch of hard time followed by only six months of burger time, I don’t find it hard to imagine that he would still read “attempting to stand after receiving advice to the contrary” as “credible threat.” Hell, that’s SOP for the cop on the beat - because otherwise, you’re gonna get hurt. Also, based on the women’s demeanor and behaviour, I don’t find it hard to believe they may actually have still had some fight in them. I amn’t about to waste much sympathy on violent assholes. (Also not broken up by the thought of him going back to the slammer as an ultimate consequence of being the victim of a random assault, per the same principle.) ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/108 "2011-10-15T21:25:59Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > It was his job, where was he supposed to walk to? 😛 Here’s a brilliant idea, how about _to the nearest phone to call the police_, which in my experience with McDonald’s, was right by the second (food-dispensing) drive-thru window probably about five strides from where he was standing when he was slapped. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The reality of a situation: a psycho came over the counter. And by virtue of size and strength, there was more than enough manpower in the kitchen to get her back around the counter and/or subdued until police came without using an offensive weapon to beat her to the point of grave bodily injury. > [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > Further to that, [according to eyewitnesses](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/rayon-mcintosh-mcdonalds-_n_1011580.html), “McIntosh ordered his assailants to stay down, and belted them each time they tried to get up.” (You can see on the video that he is speaking to them, but can’t hear what he is saying over the shrieking of horrified customers.) > > In the context of a ten-year stretch of hard time followed by only six months of burger time, I don’t find it hard to imagine that he would still read “attempting to stand after receiving advice to the contrary” as “credible threat.” Hell, that’s SOP for the cop on the beat - because otherwise, you’re gonna get hurt. Also, based on the women’s demeanor and behaviour, I don’t find it hard to believe they may actually have still had some fight in them. And this is the disconnect from logic that drives so much police brutality, because when someone is standing _over_ you, and is _beating_ on you with a weapon, and you’re vulnerable on the ground, you aren’t going to stop trying to _get up and flee_ until you’re so injured that you can’t. Every instinct in the human body says get the hell away from this danger, and even moreso when that person is continuing to beat you and yelling at you to stay still so that, presumably, they can beat you some more without the interference of all your annoying movement. Expecting that they’re going to stop trying to get up and away is fucking ludicrous. And which is why it’s generally illegal to beat people with clubs and pipes, especially unarmed people, and especially once they’re down on the ground. And notice what this felon never tried? \*Threatening \*them with the pipe, saying GTFO from behind this counter or I’m gonna smack the hell out of you. Instead, he just came out and started swinging, giving them no opportunity to do anything but try to defend themselves from far more serious injury than they could’ve ever given him, especially since they were, in fact, drunk, and not large women. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/109 "2011-10-15T22:12:45Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Not to defend the guy with the 4-Iron. But we can’t see what’s going on behind the counter after they both go down maybe they’re going after him who knows. Going after him with a skull fracture? ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/110 "2011-10-15T22:18:21Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Here’s a brilliant idea, how about _to the nearest phone to call the police_, which in my experience with McDonald’s, was right by the second (food-dispensing) drive-thru window probably about five strides from where he was standing when he was slapped. I’ve walked past that McDonald’s maybe 1,000 times over the years, and been in it several times. There is no drive-thru window. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/111 "2011-10-15T22:23:56Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > And this is the disconnect from logic that drives so much police brutality, because when someone is standing _over_ you, and is _beating_ on you with a weapon, and you’re vulnerable on the ground, you aren’t going to stop trying to _get up and flee_ until you’re so injured that you can’t. Every instinct in the human body says get the hell away from this danger, and even moreso when that person is continuing to beat you and yelling at you to stay still so that, presumably, they can beat you some more without the interference of all your annoying movement. Expecting that they’re going to stop trying to get up and away is fucking ludicrous. > > . Thats why you don’t put yourself in a position where somebody might need to beat the shit out of you and tell you stay down. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/112 "2011-10-15T22:39:41Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Instead, he just came out and started swinging, giving them no opportunity to do anything but try to defend themselves from far more serious injury than they could’ve ever given him, especially since they were, in fact, drunk, and not large women. Defend themselves??? The women were the aggressors here. One hit him and then they both went after him. Women are far more vicious then men when it comes to inflicting physical injury during a fight. I do not blame him at all for taking down two crazy bitches before they hurt him, and clearly that’s what they were determined to do. The problem I have with this guy is that after they were clearly in no position to do him any harm, he kept beating them. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/113 "2011-10-15T22:47:50Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Why would the man in this case turn his back? He could just stand over them and wait till the police arrive, surely? He could have ended up with commendation instead of a conviction. How would I know why he might turn his back? He might not turn his back. He either would or he wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/114 "2011-10-15T23:28:48Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > I’ve walked past that McDonald’s maybe 1,000 times over the years, and been in it several times. There is no drive-thru window. Drive through window or not, there’s surely a phone in the establishment. Hell, he probably had one in his pocket. > [@billfish678](#): > > Thats why you don’t put yourself in a position where somebody might need to beat the shit out of you and tell you stay down. In an ideal world that’s true. While we live in the real world, that’s a reason why you don’t stand over someone, beat them with a stick, and think that they’re not going to try to get away. > [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > Defend themselves??? The women were the aggressors here. Once he started hitting them with a weapon when they were unarmed, they were no longer the aggressors. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/115 "2011-10-15T23:40:11Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Drive through window or not, there’s surely a phone in the establishment. Hell, he probably had one in his pocket. > > In an ideal world that’s true. While we live in the real world, that’s a reason why you don’t stand over someone, beat them with a stick, and think that they’re not going to try to get away. > > Once he started hitting them with a weapon when they were unarmed, they were no longer the aggressors. Yeah, you try calling someone while two people are chasing you to attack you. Jesus Christ on a retard cracker. Point two…I sure as heck don’t see the reason. And neither did that guy nor does your cop on the beat. Point three? Bullshit. If this guy gets any jail time I hope one of these hoes walks with a limp the rest of her life and the other one has vision problems in one eye. Oh, and BTW if they were drunk that makes it WORSE. You ever try to reason with a fracking angry drunk? Much less two of em. Which is yet another check on the dumb ass hoes were stupid column. Don’t get drunk and wander around in public because bad things can happen. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/116 "2011-10-16T00:06:45Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Here’s a brilliant idea, how about _to the nearest phone to call the police_, which in my experience with McDonald’s, was right by the second (food-dispensing) drive-thru window probably about five strides from where he was standing when he was slapped. Have you ever called the police and asked them to respond to a violent incident? I have. Many times. (4 years in Security, but a few calls when not) Surrender the fantasy that they come rolling up a dozen squads at a time in mere seconds. More often than not, a single squad comes rolling by 45 minutes to an hour later and may or may not actually stop. Hell, one call to Police on a security gig, they straight out told me they could not respond and I was on my own. For a violent incident involving multiple people at an inner city mall! I didn’t see the video, so I cannot comment on his actions. But the idea that he should step back and call the police is a complete fucking fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Conqueror\_Worm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@The\_Conqueror\_Worm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Conqueror_Worm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/117 "2011-10-16T00:33:55Z")
I didn’t know that this thread existed when I posted my thoughts in the Pit. I will give odds that almost none of you posting that he went overboard have ever been attacked or in a true “flight or fight” situation. In short, you haven’t a single clue as to how you would have reacted in a similar situation. These are the harshest words I’m going to post in regards to this event; sheep abhor violence and wolves enjoy it, but sheepdogs know that when it is time they must do what they have to. Slap me and then come at me, I promise I will do my best to make certain you go down and stay there until the police arrive. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/118 "2011-10-16T01:06:09Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > And by virtue of size and strength, there was more than enough manpower in the kitchen to get her back around the counter and/or subdued until police came without using an offensive weapon to beat her to the point of grave bodily injury. None of that manpower lifted a finger to help when he was attacked. None of that manpower lifted a finger to get either trespasser back around the counter and/or subdued, either. As far as I can tell, nobody does a thing until _ **after** _ the _Don’t Start None, Won’t Be None_ twins have aggressively drawn a response. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/119 "2011-10-16T01:09:34Z")
I very much hope if the guy is prosecuted, it will be in the news and a fund will be set up for his defense. I would contribute. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693/120 "2011-10-16T01:27:36Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > It’s reasonable to assume that the fracture skull must have occurred after the women were on the ground, since neither of them was hit on the head while they were standing. Did you watch the video? I assume from video evidence that the fist attacker, assailant number one, received the fracture from one of two very prominent blows by the defendant. Number one… the initial blow, the very first ward, as the “beatdown” begins, he hit “shorty” in the temple. about two seconds in he is attacking the second assailant to arrive on the scene, the one whom I assume simply was lacerated. Then he turns his attention about 4 seconds into the defensive attack, _back_ onto shorty and connects with the back of her head AND SHE GOES DOWN… oNE OF THE TWO YIELDED THE FRACTURES SKULL. The telling part is that she probably incurred the broken arm as a defensive wound oin the ground. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-want-fries-with-that-mcdonalds-employee-beats-customers/599693.md?page=7)