# \[Doctor charged with FGM- edited title ITD\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 13, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412 "2017-04-13T21:42:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/21 "2017-04-14T15:24:07Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > It is, of course, a play on the famous OJ glove defense. > > (No apology forthcoming.) Non-apology accepted, thank you. Now, on behalf of us stooooopid people (also known as those not living in America and really not giving a f\*\*k during the OJ whatever, and/or those who were born after approximately 1985, so might be an intelligent adult in 2017 but can’t realistically be held responsible for getting jokes that involve events that occurred when one was not conceived/a fetus/a small child…) **why is your thread title clever?** I’m sure it’s a model of dry wit, but can you take pity on those of us (total idiots one and all, no doubt) who don’t get the joke, and explain it? Thanks. . ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/22 "2017-04-14T15:34:34Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > Non-apology accepted, thank you. > > Now, on behalf of us stooooopid people (also known as those not living in America and really not giving a f\*\*k during the OJ whatever, and/or those who were born after approximately 1985, so might be an intelligent adult in 2017 but can’t realistically be held responsible for getting jokes that involve events that occurred when one was not conceived/a fetus/a small child…) **why is your thread title clever?** > > I’m sure it’s a model of dry wit, but can you take pity on those of us (total idiots one and all, no doubt) who don’t get the joke, and explain it? Thanks. > > . “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” (the glove) ---
**Author:** ![chaika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chaika/32/405_2.png) [@chaika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaika)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/23 "2017-04-14T15:42:40Z")
FGM is a horrific cultural practice that has no place in the modern world (or indeed, at any time in history). I hope the doctor receives the full penalty under the law. IMO, the title of this thread is neither clever nor witty. I find it quite offensive. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/24 "2017-04-14T16:36:01Z")
Somehow I find it even more chilling that a trained doctor is doing this procedure. She certainly can’t claim ignorance. I guess the Hippocratic Oath means nothing to her. I sincerely hope she ends up in prison. I know cultural practices are difficult to end. They have to find a way convince these parents that this procedure is unnecessary and harmful. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/25 "2017-04-14T17:02:06Z")
> [@chaika](#): > > IMO, the title of this thread is neither clever nor witty. I find it quite offensive. Meh. What is the purpose of removing the clitoris? Is it to prevent a woman enjoying sex, so that she will be less likely to seek sex from another person other than her presumably abusive husband? ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/26 "2017-04-14T18:00:16Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > (No apology forthcoming.) In civilized discourse, now would be the appropriate time for an apology, and a request to have the thread title changed or edited. Otherwise, this is going to The Pit. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/27 "2017-04-14T18:21:19Z")
Taking the risk of catching grief, I’m changing this title. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/28 "2017-04-14T19:08:23Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Somehow I find it even more chilling that a trained doctor is doing this procedure. > > She certainly can’t claim ignorance. I guess the Hippocratic Oath means nothing to her. > > I sincerely hope she ends up in prison. > > I know cultural practices are difficult to end. They have to find a way convince these parents that this procedure is unnecessary and harmful. In most cases of FGM, there is no doctor – a girl is held down and it’s done by a family member, usually with a regular knife, or worse, a piece of broken glass. The girls who have it done by doctors are the _lucky_ ones. THAT’S what’s chilling. ☹ > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Meh. > > What is the purpose of removing the clitoris? Is it to prevent a woman enjoying sex, so that she will be less likely to seek sex from another person other than her presumably abusive husband? That’s exactly the purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/29 "2017-04-14T19:12:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > In most cases of FGM, there is no doctor – a girl is held down and it’s done by a family member, usually with a regular knife, or worse, a piece of broken glass. The girls who have it done by doctors are the _lucky_ ones. THAT’S what’s chilling. ☹ I can see the doctor agreeing to do it on these grounds - if it’s a question of having it done by a doctor with anaesthesia and sterile instruments, or the relatives doing it on the dining room table with a kitchen knife, the doctor may consider it the lesser of two evils. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/30 "2017-04-14T19:31:03Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > I can see the doctor agreeing to do it on these grounds - if it’s a question of having it done by a doctor with anaesthesia and sterile instruments, or the relatives doing it on the dining room table with a kitchen knife, the doctor may consider it the lesser of two evils. I can see a doctor reporting these parents to the proper authorities. Can’t you? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/31 "2017-04-14T19:50:39Z")
It’s very odd that husbands in these cultures insist their new brides have FGM. Obviously you don’t want someone you care about mutilated or in pain. Even from the view of sex. How satisfying could it be when your partner’s sensation is gone? Or even worse they are experiencing pain during sex? That’s supposed to be a good time for the guy? It doesn’t seem like something men would want. Yet, in those cultures FGM is expected of their brides. Humans can be very twisted at times. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/32 "2017-04-14T20:03:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s very odd that husbands in these cultures insist their new brides have FGM. > > Obviously you don’t want someone you care about mutilated or in pain. > > Even from the view of sex. How satisfying could it be when your partner’s sensation is gone? Or even worse they are experiencing pain during sex? That’s supposed to be a good time for the guy? > > It doesn’t seem like something men would want. Yet, in those cultures FGM is expected of their brides. > > Humans can be very twisted at times. I think you’re assuming a lot of positive, but non-existent, characteristics of these husbands. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/33 "2017-04-14T20:40:16Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Taking the risk of catching grief, I’m changing this title. Nah, you won’t get grief from me, I see how badly the thread was derailed by people nitpicking over the title. (Still no apology for it forthcoming, though.) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/34 "2017-04-14T20:51:56Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Even from the view of sex. How satisfying could it be when your partner’s sensation is gone? Or even worse they are experiencing pain during sex? That’s supposed to be a good time for the guy? Merely cutting off the clitoris is on the mild end of the spectrum. At the other end is cutting off the labia entirely and sewing everything together, then the husband takes a knife to her on their wedding night. [Not](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infibulation) [kidding](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3449674/I-thought-virgin-meant-look-Muslim-FGM-victim-vagina-stitched-blade-woman-cuts-30-girls-day.html). ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/35 "2017-04-14T21:17:24Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Nah, you won’t get grief from me, I see how badly the thread was derailed by people nitpicking over the title. (Still no apology for it forthcoming, though.) Complaining about using a crude attempt at humor to start a thread about a serious topic such as FGM is not nitpicking. You are making a joke at the expense of other people’s pain and misfortune. How is that fair? And how could you expect anyone to have a civilized conversation about it after that intro? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/36 "2017-04-14T21:25:37Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > Complaining about using a crude attempt at humor to start a thread about a serious topic such as FGM is not nitpicking. You are making a joke at the expense of other people’s pain and misfortune. How is that fair? And how could you expect anyone to have a civilized conversation about it after that intro? By having it…which seems to be what is happening here, small asides to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/37 "2017-04-14T21:35:40Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s very odd that husbands in these cultures insist their new brides have FGM. > > Obviously you don’t want someone you care about mutilated or in pain. > > Even from the view of sex. How satisfying could it be when your partner’s sensation is gone? Or even worse they are experiencing pain during sex? That’s supposed to be a good time for the guy? > > It doesn’t seem like something men would want. Yet, in those cultures FGM is expected of their brides. > > Humans can be very twisted at times. Your bride as your moral equal, who you love, is a concept that has not been universal across human history. Through repeated practice across generations you can have people conditioned through cultural socialization into accepting as “the good and right way” a whole heap of atrocities and cruelties and to see the person who stands up and asks “wait, but how about how \*they \*feel?” as the subversive freak who lacks honor. FGM. Slavery. Eunuchs. Infanticide/exposure of the weak. Burning heretics/apostates. Footbinding. Sati. Child Brides. Pederasty. Dueling. Honor Killing. What a piece of work is Man, indeed. Have everything in a community repeatedly drive home as fundamental value that a virtuous woman is one who is merely a passive vessel for the husband’s seed and no one else’s, that “sex for pleasure” is exclusively a male thing (and that if you must, use someone OTHER that the one fit to be the mother of your legitimate children); that the girl as a sexual being in her own right is breach of the honor of her father and her husband and that death is preferrable to the dishonor of the male head of houselhold; and you’ll raise generations of men and women who will feel this is just the way it must be. The shock is that an educated professional in the middle of the USA was willing to go along with enabling the practice. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/38 "2017-04-14T21:38:20Z")
> [@Springtime\_for\_Spacers](#): > > Here’s a [depressing article](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/07/female-genital-mutilation-kenya-daughters-fgm)about the practice in Kenya which includes the cutter’s point of view. The ideas behind this are deeply ingrained in the culture. I hope it can change but I can see how there is a good deal of pressure, on the girls, their parents and their prospective bridegrooms to carry on. Education must be the key. How did the Chinese do away with the practice of foot binding? Because that’s the only way that has a chance. :mad::mad::mad: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/39 "2017-04-14T21:38:57Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > The shock is that an educated professional in the middle of the USA was willing to go along with enabling the practice. indoctrination runs deeper than education. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412/40 "2017-04-14T21:53:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > indoctrination runs deeper than education. Are the girls who resisted the exception or the rule? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-charged-with-fgm-edited-title-itd/784412.md?page=3)