# Doctor Doom's origin in new FF movie. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 27, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788 "2014-11-27T21:31:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/1 "2014-11-27T21:31:18Z")
Doctor Doom’s origin in the upcoming Fantastic Four movie has been revealed, and instead of being the dictator of the fictitious nation of Latveria, Mouseover space. Spoilered for the faint-hearted: [spoiler]He’s an internet troll. As revealed by Toby Kebbel, the actor playing Doctor Doom: > [@](#): > > KEBBELL: He’s Victor Domashev, not Victor Von Doom in our story. And I’m sure I’ll be sent to jail for telling you that. The Doom in ours—I’m a programmer. Very anti-social programmer. And on blogging sites I’m “Doom”. > **[Toby Kebbell Reveals Doctor Doom's New Origin in THE FANTASTIC FOUR Movie](https://collider.com/doctor-doom-new-origin-fantastic-four-movie/)** > > Toby Kebbell is playing Doctor Doom in Josh Trank's The Fantastic Four movie, and he revealed a surprising new origin for the famous villain. NOOOOO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! 20th Century Fox seems determined to shit all over the FF. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/2 "2014-11-27T22:28:47Z")
What a lot of fans don’t realize is that they’re adapting Ultimate Fantastic Four. Everything they’ve described do far, including Doom, are in line with that iteration of the team. Doom is a young genius who reprograms young Reed Richards’ teleportation experiment. So it’s not that Fox is ignoring the comics. Apparently, it’s that comic fans ignored UFF. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/3 "2014-11-28T00:57:14Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > What a lot of fans don’t realize is that they’re adapting Ultimate Fantastic Four. Everything they’ve described do far, including Doom, are in line with that iteration of the team. Doom is a young genius who reprograms young Reed Richards’ teleportation experiment. > > So it’s not that Fox is ignoring the comics. Apparently, it’s that comic fans ignored UFF. That has almost nothing at all in common with Dr. Doom’s origin story in the Ultimates universe - nor does virtually anything else that’s been leaked about this movie so far. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/4 "2014-11-28T00:58:59Z")
I’m all for every Marvel property that isn’t controlled by them flopping badly to catastrophically. Looks like Fox agrees with me. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/5 "2014-11-28T01:17:34Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That has almost nothing at all in common with Dr. Doom’s origin story in the Ultimates universe - nor does virtually anything else that’s been leaked about this movie so far. According to Wiki (and the comics I recently read): > [@](#): > > In the Ultimate Marvel universe, Doctor Doom is Victor van Damme, a direct descendant of Vlad Tepes Dracula. Victor is introduced as part of the Baxter Building, a government think-tank of young geniuses, which counts among its students Reed Richards and Susan Storm. He works to help Reed Richards develop a teleporter to the “N-Zone,” but reprograms its coordinates without telling anyone. This causes the accident that gave the Ultimate Fantastic Four their powers, though Victor maintains that the original Richards programming was so bad that even he couldn’t fix it, and that it was this that led to the accident. You don’t see Doom, as a notoriously gifted programmer/hacker, being invited to the Baxter Building think tank? Just about every\* confirmed \*bit of information released about the movie fits perfectly fine into the UFF approach to things. Other than Johnny being black. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/6 "2014-11-28T01:20:56Z")
That bears very little resemblance to the origin described in the OP, aside from “knows how to use computers.” ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/7 "2014-11-28T01:40:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That bears very little resemblance to the origin described in the OP, aside from “knows how to use computers.” Kebbell never mentioned his origin. He just mentioned his occupation. He also mentioned his ‘Eastern European’ accent, which suggests he’ll in fact be tied to Latveria somehow. The official synopsis sounds pretty close to the UFF origin story to me: > [@](#): > > THE FANTASTIC FOUR, a contemporary re-imagining of Marvel’s original and longest-running superhero team, centers on four young outsiders who teleport to an alternate and dangerous universe, which alters their physical form in shocking ways. Their lives irrevocably upended, the team must learn to harness their daunting new abilities and work together to save Earth from a former friend turned enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/8 "2014-11-28T02:45:38Z")
> [@](#): > > THE FANTASTIC FOUR, a contemporary re-imagining of Marvel’s original and longest-running superhero team, centers on four young outsiders who teleport to an alternate and dangerous universe, which alters their physical form in shocking ways. Is that what turns Johnny Storm black? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/9 "2014-11-29T13:24:29Z")
Yes, and he can never go back. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/10 "2014-11-29T21:31:45Z")
This movie is a hot mess. They should just throw it in the trash where it belongs and release the Roger Corman version to theaters instead. At least that version had the Storm siblings the same race, something no other version has done. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/11 "2014-11-29T22:02:02Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > What a lot of fans don’t realize is that they’re adapting Ultimate Fantastic Four. Everything they’ve described do far, including Doom, are in line with that iteration of the team. Doom is a young genius who reprograms young Reed Richards’ teleportation experiment. > > So it’s not that Fox is ignoring the comics. Apparently, it’s that comic fans ignored UFF. Rightly so, I’d imagine. I’m thinking direct to DVD. Completely forgettable. Another DC fail. Quit raping my childhood! ETA: Oops. It’s not DC. It \*feels \*like DC. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/12 "2014-11-29T23:21:00Z")
I don’t have a problem with them adopting Ultimate FF. But darned if Doom’s original origin and attitude isn’t the very thing that makes him one of the (if not THE) best villains in comics. It shows off his defining trait of arrogance, gives him a motive (however wrong-headed) for hating Reed Richards, and yet humanizes him as well (he just wanted to rescue his mom from Hell, after all). Whether in the movies or the “Ultimate” comics, any attempt to alter it does it no favors. Quite frankly, an FF movie with Doom’s origin as the plot framework, from Doom’s, Reed’s and Ben’s college days through his and the FF’s transformations into the heroes and villains they became, would be better than anything we’ve seen so far. ---
**Author:** ![Sefton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Sefton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sefton)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/13 "2014-11-29T23:45:53Z")
This is terrible. Doom deserves a movie of his own–from his childhood in Latveria, to his university years, to his experiences in Tibet, to his ascendancy to the Latverian throne. Darth Vader got three movies to explain his origin. Doom deserves at least one. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/14 "2014-11-30T03:56:56Z")
At the end of the movie, the REAL Doom walks into this Pretender’s lair and nails his ass to the floorboards. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/15 "2014-12-02T12:52:39Z")
In this drawing on a site talking about the new FF film, why is Reed Richards being played by Dennis the Menace’s dad? > **[This Is A Much Less Awful Synopsis For The New Fantastic Four Movie](https://gizmodo.com/this-is-a-much-less-awful-synopsis-for-the-new-fantasti-1665376872)** > > Hey, remember a few weeks ago when an amazingly terrible description of the new Fantastic Four reboot's plot spread around the internet? It was quickly debunked, but not before it traumatizing many a fan. Well, here's a new synopsis that is both... I see the outrage over Sue’s cleavage-baring costume (howcum only she gets to have an open shirt?). What I really want to know is – Why is she the only one who gets a belt? In the original FF comics, everybody had belts. Now it looks like they’re following the Superman trend of not having separate underpants and belts. Except Sue. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-dooms-origin-in-new-ff-movie/705788/16 "2014-12-02T14:35:56Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I’m all for every Marvel property that isn’t controlled by them flopping badly to catastrophically. Looks like Fox agrees with me. Marvel Comics doesn’t control their movie division, and no consumer ever benefited from brand loyalty. I’d love to see three competing entities one-upping each other to make the best movies possible, even if it means we don’t get to see Iron Man, Wolverine and Spider-Man together in the same movie. Sadly, we aren’t getting that now either.