# Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [December 16, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171 "2021-12-16T19:52:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/101 "2022-07-14T16:24:35Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Isn’t that also where the notion of an ‘incursion’ originates? Pretty sure, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/102 "2022-07-17T20:14:58Z")
Interesting. Myself, I thought he was a victim of ‘power slide’. In the comics, Wanda is curbstomping the Avengers when he shows up and basically smacks her across the nose, like she’s a bad dog…granted, the comics Eye of Agamotto goes a long ways in putting down ‘heroes who have gone crazy’. In the film, its plain he and Wong are not anywhere near her league. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/103 "2022-07-17T20:42:38Z")
Preaumably the Darkhold is a big power boost ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/104 "2022-07-17T21:16:08Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Interesting. Myself, I thought he was a victim of ‘power slide’. In the comics, Wanda is curbstomping the Avengers when he shows up and basically smacks her across the nose, like she’s a bad dog In the What If? (comics version) where [Korvac](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korvac) kills all of the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy in their grand slugfest and starts a conquest of the universe, the first thing he does after that slaughter is banish those Earth heroes he deems an immediate potential threat to an empty limbo. Specifically Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer and Jean Grey as Phoenix. Like all comic book heroes his powers scale up and down as convenient to the plot and he has a variety of human weaknesses (mostly that he is ultimately a conventionally frail human male) and limitations. But generally speaking I agree that very generally peak comic-book Doctor Strange is rather more powerful than MCU Doctor Strange. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/105 "2022-07-17T21:59:47Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > But I think Secret Wars is one of the potential films on Marvel’s long term slate, I want to see the 1984 Secret Wars—complete with The Beyonder with a white leisure suit and curly perm. (Who should play him?) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/106 "2022-07-17T22:01:53Z")
…Henry Cavill? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/107 "2022-07-17T22:27:34Z")
Inspired. But I believe he took on the appearance of Captain America…with a perm…Compassionate Chris Evans is a wonder as Captain America. Silly Chris Evans is…well…I can still see him wearing a banana split on his ass from Not Another Teen Movie. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/108 "2022-07-17T22:41:49Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I want to see the 1984 Secret Wars—complete with The Beyonder with a white leisure suit and curly perm. He didn’t look like that until _Secret Wars II_. As is well-known, no human being can read _Secret Wars II_ and hope to survive. ---
**Author:** ![Galactus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galactus/32/3581_2.png) [@Galactus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galactus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/109 "2022-07-17T22:45:39Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I want to see the 1984 Secret Wars—complete with The Beyonder with a white leisure suit and curly perm. One should not say such things, even in jest. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/110 "2022-07-17T23:10:31Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I want to see the 1984 Secret Wars—complete with The Beyonder with a white leisure suit and curly perm. (Who should play him?) David Hasseloff! ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/111 "2022-07-17T23:19:31Z")
The ghost of Hervé Villechaize ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/112 "2022-07-18T15:39:25Z")
Well, I finally watched this last night and thought it was…very uneven, in a variety of ways. For example, the CGI was maddeningly (ha!) inconsistent; e.g. the opening “dream” sequence/battle was cringeworthy - just incredibly fake looking. But the Wanda in the mirror maze sequence was stellar. Other CGI sections were similarly uneven, I thought. Different fx studios, maybe? And the falling through the multi-verse sequence was like - yawn - been there, done that. The best part for me was Olsen as a kind of magic Terminator. The scenes with her doggedly chasing our heroes covered in robot “blood” were genuinely amazing. Raimi at the top of his game. I thought the actress playing America Chavez was decent enough, but as others have said, she was all MacGuffin, no character. Shame. And they way they styled her and her powers - which I assume was slavish devotion to the comics - was ludicrous: her name is America, she wears a jean jacket with stars on it, and punches star-shaped portals in the multi-verse? Awful. And really clashed with the mystic/magic powers of Strange/Wanda. Like bubble-gum dropped into a delicious french onion soup. A lot of the humor in this one felt forced to me as well. Like “we need a joke here; write one.” They tried to develop Strange’s character and I think were basically successful, though some of that did tend to get lost in the effects and fast-moving plot. Overall, I was mildly entertained, but by the end both my wife and I were making comments MST3K-style, which is never a good sign for suspension of disbelief/enjoyment. On the other hand, I had heard it was pretty terrible, so my expectations were very low and it surpassed them 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/113 "2022-07-19T04:06:34Z")
America portrayed in the movie is a billion times more likable then her own comic-book counterpart (In her own series) “What the Holy mensturation…” and “What in the flipping tamales??” ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171/114 "2022-07-20T19:15:03Z")
One thing I’ve been thinking about: When Strange and America first end up in another world, it’s one where you go on red, buildings are fantastically colored with flowers, and everyone wears monochrome outfits and hats. As near as I can tell, this is Earth 838, the one with the Illuminati and all that. As soon as Strange and America are taken in by said illuminati, all that alternate-reality weirdness vanishes. 838-Christine Palmer’s outfit is fairly monochrome and weird but she wears no hat, and none of the Illuminati members nor 838 Wanda and her kids wear hats or have monochrome clothes. They look like what you’d expect them to look like in any other MCU movie. From a story standpoint I understand why they did this, continuing to make everything weird would detract from the exciting action of murdering a bunch of big name (counterpart) superheroes. I still found it jarring that the movie set up this strange alternate world then immediately dropped it the instant it could, especially considering Strange and America’s walk, and the dimension-hopping sequence that came before, amount for 80% of the multiverse weirdness in a movie called “multiverse of madness” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-open-spoilers/956171.md?page=5)