# Doctor Who "Dark Water" and "Death in Heaven" (spoilers after it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 29, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906 "2014-10-29T14:24:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/101 "2014-11-09T22:58:42Z")
> [@stegon66](#): > > Who caught the name of the funeral parlor? (Talk about a companion who got a bad send-off!) Nope, I missed it. What was the name? > [@leahcim](#): > > Apparently one of Clara’s post-its said “three months”, which has some fans a-twitter. > > I thought there was some gap between Danny dying and Clara taking the Tardis hostage, though. Would it have been enough that Clara would start to show? I think it was only about a week or two. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/102 "2014-11-09T22:59:43Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Nope, I missed it. What was the name? Chaplet, which was apparently the last name of one of the First Doctor’s companions. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/103 "2014-11-09T23:18:46Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Facebook theory is that Clara was going to tell the Doctor she was pregnant at the end, when he assumed she was marrying Danny. And the excuse “it’s a children’s show” would suffice to hand-wave the fact that we were shown no hints that they had been intimate. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/104 "2014-11-09T23:23:20Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Chaplet, which was apparently the last name of one of the First Doctor’s companions. Dodo. Not a long term companion, granted ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/105 "2014-11-10T00:58:48Z")
That’s what I get for not paying attention to every little detail. And it just occurred to me. Since Danny gave that kid the bracelet, he still is alive somewhere. Where the did Cybermen go when they blew themselves up to stop the cloud? ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/106 "2014-11-10T01:03:42Z")
Did the Brigadier-cyberman blow himself up at the end, or is he still around in cyberman form now? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/107 "2014-11-10T01:27:35Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I think it was only about a week or two. Less. Danny’s body was still in the funeral home, not yet buried or cremated. A day or two more like. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/108 "2014-11-10T01:39:41Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > So, lemme see if I have this right:The Doctor is back on Gallifrey, Clara and Danny are back together, The Master is finally gone for good, and that’s the end of Doctor Who forever. All wrapped up with a bow delivered by Nick Frost as Santa. Right? > > 😉 With the smiley face - I’m going to assume you know better and you’re pretending. If so - I’m right there with ya. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/109 "2014-11-10T02:26:28Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I was a little disappointed that the Brigadier shot at Missy to save the Doctor. Of course he wouldn’t shoot her. He’d tell Benton to have one of his men shoot her. Chain of command, you see, eh wot? And FINALLY he’d have an alien that bullets worked on, if only temporarily. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/110 "2014-11-10T03:59:43Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Maybe Danny was so big on no secrets from Clara because he had one of his one … a kid somewhere? I assume his big secret is the Iraqi boy he killed, the one he sent back. And I really really want Kate as the next companion. As good as Clara’s been this season - and she’s been fantastic - it’d be nice to have a companion who is intelligent, not intimidated by the Doctor, and not a dewy-eyed girl. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/111 "2014-11-10T05:37:32Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Of course he wouldn’t shoot her. He’d tell Benton to have one of his men shoot her. Chain of command, you see, eh wot? No, he’d tell Yates, and Yates would tell Benton. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/112 "2014-11-10T06:20:21Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > I assume his big secret is the Iraqi boy he killed, the one he sent back. > > And I really really want Kate as the next companion. As good as Clara’s been this season - and she’s been fantastic - it’d be nice to have a companion who is intelligent, not intimidated by the Doctor, and not a dewy-eyed girl. I don’t think Clara’s been any of those things. If anything she’s probably been the closest to acting like she could just as well take his place. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/113 "2014-11-10T07:39:17Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > Apparently one of Clara’s post-its said “three months”, which has some fans a-twitter. > > I thought there was some gap between Danny dying and Clara taking the Tardis hostage, though. Would it have been enough that Clara would start to show? No, because it was short enough that Danny was still on the slab at the funeral home and hadn’t been cremated yet. And umm, still looked fairly fresh. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/114 "2014-11-10T07:54:16Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > And I really really want Kate as the next companion. As good as Clara’s been this season - and she’s been fantastic - it’d be nice to have a companion who is intelligent, not intimidated by the Doctor, and not a dewy-eyed girl. I wanted Osgood as next companion, but that looks unlikely now ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/115 "2014-11-10T11:15:48Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > I wanted Osgood as next companion, but that looks unlikely now ☹ There were two Osgoods hanging around after the 50 year special thanks to aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/116 "2014-11-10T12:36:30Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Someone please explain exactly why Missie needed/wanted Clara with the Doctor all along, especially given that Clara was responsible for saving all of the Doctor’s pasts? The Master/Mistress wants the Doctor alive, not dead. So the intent was to have Clara save the Doctor, or at least she helped Clara save the Doctor for her own ends. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/117 "2014-11-10T13:10:35Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > I wanted Osgood as next companion, but that looks unlikely now ☹ I also wanted this and was bummed when it happened and no further mention of her. Just poof gone. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/118 "2014-11-10T13:57:24Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > He said it was old family lore that his grandmother (or great grandmother?) was a time traveller, which hinted at Clara. Thought he said that his (Great?) Grandmother told him stories about time travelling… Also, I figured the boy Danny sent back is adopted by Clara (he can’t remember his parents as Danny said when the boy appeared) and given the last name Pink, the time traveller only mentioned his Grandmother and he is from Clara’s future timeline. I don’t recall mention of a Grandfather at all though everyone assumed at the time it’s because Clara and Danny end up together. ---
**Author:** ![Galwegian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galwegian/32/3426_2.png) [@Galwegian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galwegian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/119 "2014-11-10T14:25:14Z")
> [@Flutterby](#): > > I figured the boy Danny sent back is adopted by Clara (he can’t remember his parents as Danny said when the boy appeared) and given the last name Pink, the time traveller only mentioned his Grandmother and he is from Clara’s future timeline. I don’t recall mention of a Grandfather at all though everyone assumed at the time it’s because Clara and Danny end up together. Except for the fact that he was physically identical to Danny. ---
**Author:** ![Galwegian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galwegian/32/3426_2.png) [@Galwegian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galwegian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906/120 "2014-11-10T14:26:55Z")
Also, love the idea that it may have been alien imposter Osgood that was killed by the Mistress, leaving real Osgood still available to come back later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-dark-water-and-death-in-heaven-spoilers-after-it-airs/702906.md?page=7)