# Doctor Who: Journey to the Centre of the Tardis. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881 "2013-04-28T03:20:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/41 "2013-04-29T08:36:54Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > I don’t really mind seeing the reset button technique used in a show with a time machine in it. Seems like par for the course for me. But I do feel kind of bad for Tricky, the brother who went back to not being aware that he’s actually a real boy with some cybernetic enhancements instead of an android. He seems like a wee bit of a dumbfuck for not figuring it out on his own, but I still feel kind of bad for him. I think we’re led to believe that Gregor has rediscovered, thanks to the events of the erased timeline, a bit of his humanity in the normal timeline and will be more likely to tell him the truth at some point. I’d like to think that, anyway. I got the impression that in the reset timeline, he’s no longer under the false impression - note that he’s now in the picture with their dad. ---
**Author:** ![Meurglys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/258eb7/32.png) [@Meurglys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meurglys)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/42 "2013-04-29T13:10:33Z")
Having read this thread, I may have to watch it again… Anyway, who wrote the History of the Time War book? The Doctor was the only survivor, wasn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/43 "2013-04-29T14:13:19Z")
> [@Meurglys](#): > > Having read this thread, I may have to watch it again… > > Anyway, who wrote the History of the Time War book? The Doctor was the only survivor, wasn’t he? Well, there are all those Daleks that keep popping up… but I thought it was generated by the Tardis, the way everything else is, if the Doctor’s little speech in the Glowy Ball Room is to be believed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/44 "2013-04-29T14:18:58Z")
> [@Galwegian](#): > > Just rewatched the start. The Big Friendly Button was the remote for the MagnoGrab. Which explains why pressing it acts as a reset. The MagnoGrab was shut off, allowing the Tardis to escape. :smack: See, I missed that too. And I bet a lot of others did as well. > [@](#): > > On first viewing I thought that the Doctor was using the sonic screwdriver to do something to the remote to make it act as a time reset. In fact, he was scorching “Big Friendly Button” on it. Same here. This makes so much more sense. The “multiple attempts” theory also explains why Clara encountered herself saying things that she did not later say from the other viewpoint. And I did assume that the TARDIS itself generated the book for Clara, for reasons yet to be determined. All in all this was a decent episode sloppily executed. Needs a better edit. ---
**Author:** ![Meurglys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/258eb7/32.png) [@Meurglys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meurglys)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/45 "2013-04-29T15:27:51Z")
The Tardis wrote it? I suppose so. I was hoping there would be a less boring answer! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/46 "2013-04-29T19:51:28Z")
Will Clara remember, will The Doctor remember, or vaguely remember but sort of forget, anything of that which never occurred in their current timeline? Obviously _some_ of what leaked from the future that never ended up happening took hold, even into the past, and changed the present (hence the brother now being back in the picture with Dad and presumably not being told he is an android with elder brother having remembered, in his past, that shred of human decency he learned in the future that never was. His name? Why would Sexy want Clara to know his name? Or about the Time Wars? And Clara was protected. The Tardis may not like her but she protected her nevertheless, got her into and kept her in an echo control room. Clara is just a girl at this point in time, a pretty and perfectly ordinary girl, a bit more afraid than she lets on. How does The Doctor’s trying to solve this mystery, the only one worth solving, cause the mystery he is trying to solve? And how does the repetitive not quite remembered things theme and/or this bleed from alternate futures that never occurred which can change the current past and the present, impact that? ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/47 "2013-04-29T22:24:43Z")
> [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](#): > > . . . I did like seeing the pool, though. And the library. “Now that’s just showing off.” ---
**Author:** ![Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cornelius_Tuggerson)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/48 "2013-04-30T03:50:14Z")
Maybe I wasn’t paying attention when I was watching the first season in which Amy showed up, but did space time crack in that(along with the tardis explosion) ultimately come from this episode? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/49 "2013-04-30T04:17:30Z")
> [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](#): > > Maybe I wasn’t paying attention when I was watching the first season in which Amy showed up, but did space time crack in that(along with the tardis explosion) ultimately come from this episode? I recall a different explanation - but that possibility just caused my brain to implode - cheeseburgerpizza fish sticks? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/50 "2013-04-30T22:12:29Z")
This appeared to be a different type of crack. This crack linked different timelines. The cracks in episodes with Amy erased people from time. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/51 "2013-05-01T04:32:24Z")
I enjoyed this episode more than most recent ones, even though it made not a lick of sense. (I get the timey-wimey bits. It’s the other parts that don’t make sense: the “ha-ha you’re not an android, you’re our brother” bit, the “I’m trapped in a soon to be exploding spacetimeship, but I’ll take the time for a bit of theft” bit, the “no, I won’t put this doodad back even though the ship will kill me for it” bit… The out of left-field Clara mystery bits. The Doctor not seeming to understand the Tardis at all…) But if I shut my brain off, it was a fun ride. I liked seeing stuff like River’s cradle, the telescope, and the pool again. More Tardis is always nice. It just didn’t seem to mesh with The Doctor’s Wife, and other bits of Tardis lore very well… ---
**Author:** ![Scubaqueen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@Scubaqueen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scubaqueen)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/52 "2013-05-10T14:28:02Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Well, there are all those Daleks that keep popping up… > > but I thought it was generated by the Tardis, the way everything else is, if the Doctor’s little speech in the Glowy Ball Room is to be believed. LAte to the thread on this one - just caught up on the last two eps, but, speaking of which, the Eye of Harmony??? Wasn’t that destroyed when Gallifrey went blooey??? AFAIK, the Tardis has to refuel on the rift to keep chugging along. There IS no more EoH - unless I’ve missed something in the midst of Moffet’s storytelling. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/53 "2013-05-10T14:36:02Z")
It’s a very nice copy. From the Tardis Wiki: The Eye of Harmony, also known as Rassilon’s Star, was a power source for the Time Lords. It was created by suspending time around an exploding star in the act of becoming a black hole, harnessing the potential energy of a collapse that would never occur. According to the Eleventh Doctor, you would “rip the star from its orbit, [and] suspend it in a permanent state of decay.” (TV: Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS) All TARDISes built after a certain point, including the Type 40 the Doctor used, had a mathematically modelled duplicate of the Eye with all its attendant features. (PROSE: The Quantum Archangel) The Eye of Harmony within the Eleventh Doctor’s TARDIS. (TV: Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS) Added by TangerineduelWhile in Caliburn House in 1974, the Eleventh Doctor was able to utilise a “subset of the Eye of Harmony” to enter a pocket universe by running cables from the TARDIS. (TV: Hide) The Eleventh Doctor, Clara Oswin Oswald, Tricky and Gregor Van Baalen once came across the Eye of Harmony when trapped inside the TARDIS. At that point, the Eye had the appearance of a star, one the Doctor claimed was constantly on the verge of becoming a black hole. (TV: Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/54 "2013-05-10T16:39:53Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Clara is just a girl at this point in time, a pretty and perfectly ordinary girl, a bit more afraid than she lets on. A pretty and perfectly ordinary girl with, I’m guessing, a perfectly unordinary ring. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/55 "2013-05-10T16:42:10Z")
IIRC, in a recent interview Moffatt said the thing no one’s considering is that the Doctor may have met Clara MORE than three times. And since River Song is in the season finale, I have to wonder (and fear): is Clara the daughter of River and the Doctor? Just speculating. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881/56 "2013-05-11T00:57:34Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > IIRC, in a recent interview Moffatt said the thing no one’s considering is that the Doctor may have met Clara MORE than three times. I had considered that, but the Doctor specifies the only times he knows about, so there’s really no point in adding any more meetings to the speculation, it doesn’t get us anywhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis/656881.md?page=2)