# Doctor who performed abortions shot to death. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280 "2009-05-31T19:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/1 "2009-05-31T19:55:13Z")
.. at his church. > **[Doctor who performed abortions shot to death - CNN.com](https://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/31/kansas.doctor.killed/)** > > Dr. George Tiller, whose Kansas women's clinic frequently took center stage in the U.S. debate over abortion, was shot and killed while serving as an usher at his Wichita church Sunday morning, police said. > [@](#): > > Dr. George Tiller, whose Wichita, Kansas, women’s clinic has been the target of anti-abortion protests for years, was shot and killed at his church Sunday morning, his attorneys said. > > Laura Shaneyfelt, an attorney with the firm of Monnat and Spurrier, confirmed Tiller’s death to CNN. > > The 67-year-old doctor was one of the few U.S. physicians who still performed late-term abortions. He survived a 1993 shooting outside his clinic. I was trying to think of a debate, or putting this on MPSIMS, but if it is demonstrated that anti-abortionists did this I know that my choice of words will not be allowed in other forums. The shooters are bastard murdering terrorists.. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/2 "2009-05-31T20:10:59Z")
Don’t have a lot to say about this one. Just slowly shaking my head. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/3 "2009-05-31T20:15:10Z")
Remember about a month ago when the righties got all indignant about that report warning to be on the lookout for right-wing extremists? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/4 "2009-05-31T20:15:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > …but if it is demonstrated that anti-abortionists did this… It’s be quite a coincidence that it would be for any other reason, wouldn’t it? That said, I’ll stay my tongue on the topic until an a motive is determined. Or until I change my mind later this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/5 "2009-05-31T20:34:41Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Remember about a month ago when the righties got all indignant about that report warning to be on the lookout for right-wing extremists? Are you sure? I remember some folks being indignant about a report saying something like ex-military people might be vulnerable to being recruited into right wing extremist groups. I could be wrong, but can you give us a link to what you’re talking about? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/6 "2009-05-31T20:35:48Z")
Where is the Bricker outrage now? Right wing nut finally kills right wing Bill O’Reilly’s target O’Terrorism and the righty who would have all the lefties denounce the unfortunate policy positions of the wacko lefties has nothing to say about a Right Wing American Death and Terror Squad execution. Or he just hasn’t checked in yet today? I denounce it, the anti-abortionists and Bill O’Reilly who has named this victim many times. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/7 "2009-05-31T20:48:54Z")
Yeah, I kinda wanna see some input from the “lefties are hypocrites” crowd on this one. What you got, folks? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/8 "2009-05-31T20:49:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Are you sure? I remember some folks being indignant about a report saying something like ex-military people might be vulnerable to being recruited into right wing extremist groups. I could be wrong, but can you give us a link to what you’re talking about? That was just one section of a ten page report. Here’s a link that has the full report. It was comissioned by the Bush Administration. > **[Homeland Security Report Warns Of Rising Right-Wing Extremism](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/homeland-security-report_n_186834)** > > Homeland Security Report Warns Of Rising Right-Wing Extremism ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/9 "2009-05-31T21:04:07Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > Yeah, I kinda wanna see some input from the “lefties are hypocrites” crowd on this one. > > What you got, folks? Well, I don’t think all lefties are hypocrites, but either way, I don’t get your point. Of course, anyone who calls himself a pro-lifer ought to condemn murder, no matter what the motive, or that person is a hypocrite. I seriously doubt you will find a pro-lifer on this board who would support such vigilantism…I certainly don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/10 "2009-05-31T21:05:16Z")
I’ll never understand why people are so goddamned opposed to abortion to the point of being ready to KILL the people who practice it. You know what the problem with the world is today? THERE ARE TOO MANY GODDAMN PEOPLE. Any system that reduces the amount of people that will be born should be considered heroic, and not only tolerated but federally subsidized. Why do people get abortions? Because they have decided they are not ready or not willing to raise a child. Isn’t it better that the child not ever be born, than that it’s born to a woman WHO DOESN’T WANT IT? What kind of people are these aborted fetuses likely to grow up into, under those circumstances? It’s better that they are not born at all. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/11 "2009-05-31T21:18:06Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > I seriously doubt you will find a pro-lifer on this board who would support such vigilantism…I certainly don’t. I’ve yet to see a pro life organization turn in one of these fellow travelers _before_ he commits his violent act. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/12 "2009-05-31T21:19:39Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > I’ve yet to see a pro life organization turn in one of these fellow travelers _before_ he commits his violent act. Why is that? I have no idea…I don’t know if he’s part of a “pro-life organization,” or if he is, if they have any way of knowing that he’s a psycho. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/13 "2009-05-31T21:27:30Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I’ll never understand why people are so goddamned opposed to abortion to the point of being ready to KILL the people who practice it… Simple, they don’t consider it murder; to them the abortionist is making a living by “murdering” unborn “children”. Killing the abortionist prevents him from “murdering” more “children” and discourages other doctors from performing abortions. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/14 "2009-05-31T21:43:53Z")
They may not be saying it out loud, but I bet this shooter is going to turn into another pro-lifer hero like Eric Rudolph. I remember seeing interviews with the good people of Murphy, NC just after his arrest; they didn’t see what the fuss was about, as he hadn’t done anything wrong. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/15 "2009-05-31T22:01:09Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Why do people get abortions? Because they have decided they are not ready or not willing to raise a child. Isn’t it better that the child not ever be born, than that it’s born to a woman WHO DOESN’T WANT IT? What kind of people are these aborted fetuses likely to grow up into, under those circumstances? It’s better that they are not born at all. Women get abortions because they are not ready and willing to be pregnant/give birth. Plenty of people give birth and have the kid adopted. Willingness to raise the kid doesn’t factor into it. No, it’s better that the kid be born to a woman that doesn’t want it than to be killed. They’re likely to grow up to be like other kids that have been adopted. Mostly healthy, and most importantly, not dead. It’s better that they are born. That being said, I’ll second that you’re not likely to find anyone defending the shooter. Not that I’ll shed a tear for the doctor or anything. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/16 "2009-05-31T22:02:16Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Simple, they don’t consider it murder; to them the abortionist is making a living by “murdering” unborn “children”. Killing the abortionist prevents him from “murdering” more “children” and discourages other doctors from performing abortions. There is a lot of debate about whether abortion is murder . There is none about shooting and killing him though. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/17 "2009-05-31T22:09:23Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I’ll never understand why people are so goddamned opposed to abortion to the point of being ready to KILL the people who practice it. You know what the problem with the world is today? THERE ARE TOO MANY GODDAMN PEOPLE. Any system that reduces the amount of people that will be born should be considered heroic, and not only tolerated but federally subsidized. Why do people get abortions? Because they have decided they are not ready or not willing to raise a child. Isn’t it better that the child not ever be born, than that it’s born to a woman WHO DOESN’T WANT IT? What kind of people are these aborted fetuses likely to grow up into, under those circumstances? It’s better that they are not born at all. You see, the anti-abortionists think the abortion doctor is scum and should be killed, just like you think that the robber from the other thread should be killed. If you support vigilante justice, don’t complain when it doesn’t go your way. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/18 "2009-05-31T22:19:49Z")
The police have a suspect in custody now. No reports yet on who he is or why he did it. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/19 "2009-05-31T22:36:22Z")
My local newspaper’s comments section is filling up with people praising the murder of this doctor. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/20 "2009-05-31T22:48:27Z")
He was killed in church, where his wife was singing in the choir. I wonder if the killer made it to church before rushing out to shoot someone? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280.md?page=2)