# Doctor who performed abortions shot to death. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280 "2009-05-31T19:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/441 "2009-06-02T12:45:42Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > If you believe life begins at conception, then destroying frozen fertilized eggs is murder. Yet there has never been a court case where it was decided that a woman could be implanted with her fertized eggs against the father’s will. Life began eons ago, and even if one believes the Adam and Eve story it is still a passed on thing. The sperm contains thousands of human lives so, with each ejaculation many human lives are lost. That is a proven fact. The lucky sperm that hits the egg fertilizes it, the rest die. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/442 "2009-06-02T12:51:59Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Here’s a sci-fi hypothetical: > > Say you could travel back in time to the days your mother first found out she was pregnant with you (let’s say 3 weeks in). You get to talking, and she opens up with you… you seem like a familiar soul. You learn she didn’t plan this at all. She has little money, little support and this will throw a huge damper in her plans. She’s seriously debating an abortion. Do you encourage her to go through with it? Yes. And then I would hop in my plama-enhanced matter/anitmatter hydrothopter and jet off to the moons of Flooogle 5 for a tryst with a 7 titted Vulva Monster. I mean, as long as we’re talking backwards-assed idiocy, let’s at least make it fun. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/443 "2009-06-02T13:02:54Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > The sperm contains thousands of human lives so, with each ejaculation many human lives are lost. That is a proven fact. The lucky sperm that hits the egg fertilizes it, the rest die. Hold the phone. Each \*sperm \*contains thousands of human lives? Where the hell do you get that from? Or did you mean each ejaculate contains thousands of sperm cells (and I think it’s more like millions). ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/444 "2009-06-02T13:15:32Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > The sperm contains thousands of human lives so, with each ejaculation many human lives are lost. That is a proven fact. I was feeling enough self loathing already without having to consider myself a mass murderer on top of everything. Thanks a bunch. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/445 "2009-06-02T13:17:29Z")
I tried to save them using a dirty sock, but I couldn’t find a vagina willing to house them. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/446 "2009-06-02T13:28:08Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Hold the phone. > > Each \*sperm \*contains thousands of human lives? Where the hell do you get that from? Or did you mean each ejaculate contains thousands of sperm cells (and I think it’s more like millions). Well then millions of human lives are lost as the sperm contains human life. A man who’s sperm is not alive cannot impregnate a woman. Life is passed on through the sperm and ova. I also wonder how many innocent lives are lost in a war, we know ahead of time when we go to war(even a just one) that many innocent lives, unborn, women ,children, men etc. will be killed. We also know that there are countries that have many innocent children dying of starvation, lack of medical attention etc. some people even justify the death penalty. But they willingly march against Abortions. Some times an abortion can be self defense. Perhaps if people concentrated more on helping to prevent the need for an abortion, if men were more concerned about the fact that the woman may bear his child(that he doesn’t want), and a woman thought of the consequences then perhaps the need for an abortion could be reduced. Rapists etc. are not thinking of a woman or what will happen to her. One could say if a man doesn’t want abortions he should keep his pants zipped! Both the man and woman need to be responsible. However sometimes even responsible people have an unwanted pregnancy, and if a woman cannot bear the child for emotional, physical, or financial reasons then unless the anti-abortion people take responsible for the being they want to be born then they should except the responsibility for the womans expenses, as well as the child care etc.. If that is too much of a burden then they are only pretending to be pro-Life and just pro-birth, and want to impose their beliefs on another. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/447 "2009-06-02T13:29:33Z")
> [@villa](#): > > I was feeling enough self loathing already without having to consider myself a mass murderer on top of everything. Thanks a bunch. If you think “life” begins at conception then you are welcome! ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/448 "2009-06-02T13:30:46Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > We also know that there are countries that have many innocent children dying of starvation, lack of medical attention etc. some people even justify the death penalty. But they willingly march against Abortions. It was once said of the Reagan Administration that its deep concern for human life began at conception, and ended at birth. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/449 "2009-06-02T13:31:38Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I tried to save them using a dirty sock, but I couldn’t find a vagina willing to house them. I guess that is the breaks. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/450 "2009-06-02T13:31:45Z")
To **monavis** : Nice speech. And I agree. I was just confused over what I thought you were claiming, i.e., each \*\*\*sperm cell \*\*\*contains thousands of human lives. I thought you were coming from some sort of Buddhist / re-incarnation / new-age / We Are The World sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/451 "2009-06-02T13:35:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, we don’t. Well, that was incredibly illuminating. Wait, no, that was something else. Please, I yearn, I pine to know where you stand on this issue. I shall not sleep till I do. I suppose I meant “most reasonable people”, but you’ll do in a pinch. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/452 "2009-06-02T13:41:06Z")
> [@Early\_Out](#): > > It was once said of the Reagan Administration that its deep concern for human life began at conception, and ended at birth. Reagan Administration didn’t seem to do much about it though did they? Their concern may well have been that, but human life is still a passed on thing, for many, many generations. The man who killed the doctor justified his killing. The people killed in war are also human beings. To say one values human life and uses death to solve a problem, is not thinking of human beings,nor can say they are pro-life in it’s full meaning.. When all killing is stopped then we can say we are civilized. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/453 "2009-06-02T14:08:32Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > The sperm contains thousands of human lives so, with each ejaculation many human lives are lost. That is a proven fact. All you are doing is redefining and degrading the phrase “human life” as meaning something not of any real worth. Playing word games won’t make those mindless single cells anything other than mindless single cells. If a sperm cell or a few million cells in a womb is a “human life”, then it’s perfectly all right to destroy “human lives” by the millions or billions or trillions. Because renaming them doesn’t make them more valuable. > [@monavis](#): > > Reagan Administration didn’t seem to do much about it though did they? They passed the Mexico City Policy, which pressured medical organizations all over the world to not perform or even talk about abortion. They hurt and killed quite a few women that way, which I’m sure was the real goal. “Every woman who dies is a victory for morality”, is what Randall Terry said back then. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/454 "2009-06-02T14:14:45Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “Every woman who dies is a victory for morality”, is what Randall Terry said back then. The man certainly does have a knack for coming up with catchy aphorisms, doesn’t he? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/455 "2009-06-02T14:19:32Z")
> [@Early\_Out](#): > > The man certainly does have a knack for coming up with catchy aphorisms, doesn’t he? :rolleyes: [QUOTE=Randall Terry] I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you… I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good [/QUOTE] Anti abortion activist ? Or Emperor Palpatine ? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/456 "2009-06-02T14:22:24Z")
Randall Terry is a major-league asshole, and if anyone might have said that, it would be him. But in the interests of ruthless truth, we need a cite for that quote. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/457 "2009-06-02T15:12:53Z")
> [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](#): > > Well, that was incredibly illuminating. What? You made a broad-brush statement, I was just pointing out that it didn’t apply. > [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](#): > > Wait, no, that was something else. Please, I yearn, I pine to know where you stand on this issue. I shall not sleep till I do. I support abortion on demand, for any or no reason, up to end of term. I am\* willing to compromise\* on abortion on demand, for any and no reason, up to the end of trimester 2, and for the slimmest medical necessity thereafter. But this does not mean that I “…agree that late-term abortions should, for strong preference, only occur in dire circumstances”. I \*strongly prefer \*that it be freely available under any circumstances, any time. I’m also A-OK with the use of abortion as birth control, BTW. > [@](#): > > I suppose I meant “most reasonable people”, but you’ll do in a pinch. Talk about pre-emptively poisoning the well with _ad hominems_:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/458 "2009-06-02T15:14:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Randall Terry is a major-league asshole, and if anyone might have said that, it would be him. But in the interests of ruthless truth, we need a cite for that quote. Here’s one from [religioustolerance](http://www.religioustolerance.org/quot_intol3.htm). This quote turns up on a number of websites, all attributing it to the Ft. Wayne IN _News-Sentinel_ (Aug. 16, 1993). Here’s another real doozy from [this page](http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2002/03/randall-terry-quotes.php) of Randall terry Quotes: > [@](#): > > “When I, or people like me, are running the country, you’d better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed… If we’re going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over… Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, “Well how do you know God doesn’t have a wonderful plan for her life?” He does, it’s listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead.” > > [Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, at the Aug 8, 1995 U.S. Taxpayers Alliance Banquet in Washington DC, talking about doctors who perform abortions and volunteer escorts] There must be a name in the DSM-IV for the kind of personality that fantasizes about seizing absolute political power and killing everyone the subject doesn’t like or doesn’t share his religion. It’s beyond grandiosity. It sounds like some kind of megalomaniacal, psychotic disorder. If there is a God, he’s been having some fun pranking the hell out of RT. Two of his daughters have had multiple babies out of wedlock (as teenagers, I believe), one of them converted to Islam, and his son came out publicly as gay a couple of years ago (Terry disowned him). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/459 "2009-06-02T15:20:07Z")
_Karma_ never sleeps. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/460 "2009-06-02T15:27:23Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > How can an opinion be “factually wrong”? If it’s my opinion he’s a baby killer, then it’s my opinion he’s a baby killer. > Why does frequency matter? In my opinion, _you_ are a baby killer. Not only that, but you have sex with the dead babies after you kill them. You are a baby killing necrophiliac pedophile. :eek: This is only my opinion, so how can it be wrong? Also, don’t bother responding, as I would never trust the word of a baby killing necrophiliac pedophile. You sicken me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280.md?page=24)