# Doctor who performed abortions shot to death. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280 "2009-05-31T19:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/541 "2009-06-10T08:10:12Z")
> [@Orbifold](#): > > Perhaps Mr. Roeder could be required to drive three hours out of his way, forced to walk past screaming protesters and assorted maniacs, and told over and over that he’s a sinner and that he’s going to hell before he gets his sleep apnea machine. Sadly, I’m sure the irony would be lost on him. We probably can’t expect an assassin to have enough empathy to connect the dots on this one. Well, he can’t drive right now, but forcing him to jump through hoops for several hours while being screamed at seems to be appropriate to me. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/542 "2009-06-10T08:46:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I wish I was an OB GYN with the requisite credentials and abilities just so I could resume operating the clinic myself. I would enjoy taunting the protesters on my way into the building every day. While the first part of your sentiment is certainly laudable (and necessary), I don’t quite get why you’d want to do the latter. Certainly revenge is sweet, but surely you know it is a dish best served cold. Or are you aiming for a RL moniker change a la “Diogenes The (predictable) Martyr?” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/543 "2009-06-10T16:42:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I wish I was an OB GYN with the requisite credentials and abilities just so I could resume operating the clinic myself. I would enjoy taunting the protesters on my way into the building every day. That’d be a great way to get yourself killed, and/or your clinic bombed. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/544 "2009-06-10T22:22:08Z")
Terror didn’t quite win here…[a Nebraska doctor](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090610/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_shooting_51) is stepping in now. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/545 "2009-06-10T22:26:46Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Certainly revenge is sweet, but surely you know it is a dish best served cold. So . . . revenge is dessert? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/546 "2009-06-11T01:09:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > So . . . revenge is dessert? Indeed. In this case I think it best one forgets the cherry on top though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/547 "2009-06-11T01:16:04Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Terror didn’t quite win here…[a Nebraska doctor](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090610/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_shooting_51) is stepping in now. He’s got a Wikipedia page: [LeRoy Carhart - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeRoy_Carhart) It says he started performing abortions full-time after anti-abortion arsonists burned down his house and barn. A man after your own heart, **Dio**. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/548 "2009-06-11T14:51:18Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I notice that after 11 pages of this, at least one of our “concern troll” righties (and possibly more) has yet to show up and denounce or approve of this right wing terrorist attack on American soil. > > Article from LA Times [Web post on Tiller may be suspect's](http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tiller1-2009jun01,0,7068875.story?page=2) > > There have been over 150 right wing attacks on abortion providers over the years. [http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo\_viol.htm](http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm) > > These right wing death squads are in America and have been since the labor movement was targeted after the Civil War. Yet some claiming to be responsible “conservatives” have failed to condemn this latest terrorist murder, perhaps because they feel good about it, or agree with it, or cannot muster the courage to say that murdering people for doing legal things that they think are wrong is tearing at the fabric of civilization. > > Failure of people with a platform to denounce a murder is likely to be interpreted by a significant portion of the public that such a murder is alright. It isn’t. Right wing murder squads are a sign of collapsing civilization. But since the righties don’t denounce it when it is one of their’s, can we at least rely on them to start denouncing when the chicken’s come home to roost and one of their own is slaughtered in a premeditated fashion? They could probably whip up a full scale bloody civil war then. Well, I condemn it & I’ve read condemnations from plenty of conservative & anti-abortion spokepeople. Roeder is a murderer, deserves execution, and if he does not repent before his death, he will suffer for it in Hell, as has the justly-executed Paul Hill. ( Check this statement by radical anti-abortion Domionionist theologian Gary North- _Lone Gunners for Jesus_ [http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/html/gnlg/gnlg.html](http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/html/gnlg/gnlg.html) )\* I will commend Dr. Tiller for providing 3rd-trimester “dire situation” abortions. But were all such late-term ones he did only for such dire situations? Also, there are still pending state investigations as to that clinic’s operations, tho with Tiller’s death, they are no longer focusing on him. Now, please give evidence that any of the murders of abortion-providers were done by “right wing death squadS”\*\* and not “lone nuts”. There’s as much evidence that the JFK assassination was engineered by Castro or the USSR. \*Yes, I believe in Hell. I waver on the eternity & inescapability of it. \*\* I’d originally written “squad”, and then did a bit of research & found that “the Army of God” could be seen as a very-loosely organized RWDS. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/549 "2009-06-11T15:49:34Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Lone Gunners for Jesus Band Name! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/550 "2009-06-11T15:53:11Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Band Name! Suggested first album title: _Partial-Birth Distortion_. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/551 "2009-06-11T17:37:36Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > I will commend Dr. Tiller for providing 3rd-trimester “dire situation” abortions. But were all such late-term ones he did only for such dire situations? Also, > there are still pending state investigations as to that clinic’s operations, tho with Tiller’s death, they are no longer focusing on him. > > Now, please give evidence that any of the murders of abortion-providers were done by “right wing death squadS”\*\* and not “lone nuts”. There’s as much evidence that the JFK assassination was engineered by Castro or the USSR. You know, you have no more evidence that Dr. Tiller’s services were NOT provided exclusively to those in “dire” circumstances than anyone does of “right wing death squads”. Just seemed worth pointing out, as needless impugnment goes. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/552 "2009-06-11T17:55:44Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > I will commend Dr. Tiller for providing 3rd-trimester “dire situation” abortions. But were all such late-term ones he did only for such dire situations? Who’s defining dire here? You? Or the woman who’s been pregnant for seven months and, what, got bored? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/553 "2009-06-11T18:14:24Z")
Ran out of maternity clothes, actually. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/554 "2009-06-11T21:08:07Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > I will commend Dr. Tiller for providing 3rd-trimester “dire situation” abortions. But were all such late-term ones he did only for such dire situations? Also, > there are still pending state investigations as to that clinic’s operations, tho with Tiller’s death, they are no longer focusing on him. Considering that he had been acquitted of the [previous 19 accusations](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/27/george-tiller-kansas-doct_n_180280.html), and that performing a 3rd-trimester abortion is illegal in Kansas [for anything _but_ a dire situation](http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_65/Article_67/65-6703.html), why would you assume that he performed them for any other reason? Why not just presume his innocence? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/555 "2009-06-11T23:07:17Z")
I asked a question about Dr. Tiller’s practice. TSS made an assertion about “RWD” Squads terrorizing abortionists. There’s a difference between a question & an assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/556 "2009-06-11T23:18:58Z")
Yeah, I’ve been wondering just how “dire” these situations truly are myself, given that there are only three clinics providing them for the whole country. How come we haven’t been hearing about hundreds or thousands of women dying or being seriously harmed due to dangerous pregnancies they’ve been unable to abort? Or is dire defined by just really, really, really not wanting that baby? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/557 "2009-06-11T23:25:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, I’ve been wondering just how “dire” these situations truly are myself, given that there are only three clinics providing them for the whole country. How come we haven’t been hearing about hundreds or thousands of women dying or being seriously harmed due to dangerous pregnancies they’ve been unable to abort? > > Or is dire defined by just really, really, really not wanting that baby? Why not try READING THE LINK, a mere two posts above yours, to Kansas law that defines what “medical necessity” constitutes a dire situation warranting a third trimester abortion? Hint: it’s not “really really really not wanting that baby.” I know, clicking that link and educating yourself before spouting off is a terribly strenuous activity, but then again, so is making snide, accusatory statements with no factual support, but you don’t seem to break a sweat doing that, so try the reading and see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/558 "2009-06-11T23:29:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, I’ve been wondering just how “dire” these situations truly are myself, given that there are only three clinics providing them for the whole country. How come we haven’t been hearing about hundreds or thousands of women dying or being seriously harmed due to dangerous pregnancies they’ve been unable to abort? > > Or is dire defined by just really, really, really not wanting that baby? 1032 women had abortions in the US past the 24 week mark. 500,000 women die from pregnancy worldwide, each year. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/559 "2009-06-12T00:03:36Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Why not try READING THE LINK… I posted immediately upon reading **Cat Fight’s** post, which preceeded **LilShiestes**. I will read it later when I have more time. > [@Rubystreak](#): > > …but then again, so is making snide, accusatory statements… It would be so nice if every once in a while you reacted to what I actually said, rather than how you choose to interpret it. I didn’t make a statement, I asked a question. And a perfectly legitimate one at that, considering that there have only been three clinics in the entire country performing these abortions. And if the pregnancies have been dire enough to warrant killing perfectly viable late-term babies, why weren’t they aborted earlier? Now there may be perfectly justifiable answers to these questions, I don’t know. But until I find out more about what was going on there and just how ‘dire’ is defined and applied, things there just don’t pass the smell test to me. > [@Kalhoun](#): > > 1032 women had abortions in the US past the 24 week mark. And your point is? > [@Kalhoun](#): > > 500,000 women die from pregnancy worldwide, each year. I’m thinking that the clinic in Kansas was dealing primarily with U.S. citizens. So how many women around the country have been dying because they couldn’t afford or get to one of the three clinics performing these allegedly life-saving abortions? Somehow one never hears of them, and thus my suspicions about just how ‘dire’ these abortions truly are. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/560 "2009-06-12T00:15:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m thinking that the clinic in Kansas was dealing primarily with U.S. citizens. So how many women around the country have been dying because they couldn’t afford or get to one of the three clinics performing these allegedly life-saving abortions? Somehow one never hears of them, and thus my suspicions about just how ‘dire’ these abortions truly are. True, and as a lifelong subscriber to _Underclass Woman’s Day_, surely you’d be one of the first to hear about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280.md?page=29)