# Doctor who performed abortions shot to death. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280 "2009-05-31T19:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/141 "2009-06-01T06:25:03Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Bill O’Reilly might have some blood on this hands. He’s been viciously and dishonestly smearing this guy for months, and has likened his practice to a “Nazi death camp.” Not months–[years](http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/142 "2009-06-01T06:29:16Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You said that he was wrong, he was not. So it is your position that fetuses go from mindless globs of tissue into perfectly viable human creatures capable not only of gripping things with their fists but of survival outside the womb within a one week period starting at the twentieth week and culminating sometime during the twenty-first week? I wouldn’t have thought even you capable of that kind of nonsense. Having said that however, if I were willing to concede that a twenty-week-old fetus hasn’t a thought or “brain wave” in its head, would you be willing to acknowledge that twenty-one-week old fetuses are viable human beings, capable not only of conscious movement but of life outside the womb? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Maybe he will not notice that you were hopelessly wrong. How so? **RNATB** made a claim about twenty-week-old fetuses. I showed beyond a doubt that that claim was false if applied to twenty-one-week old fetuses. Perhaps you’d care to show how that proves him right and me ‘hopelessly wrong’? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/143 "2009-06-01T06:31:35Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Are you anti-murder? If you could go back in time to kill Hitler, would you? BUT YOU’RE ANTI-MURDER! HYPOCRITE! … they can logically view taking one life here as a way to save dozens, or even thousands if they discourage people from becoming abortion doctors. Except that they use a twisted, irrational definition of human life that has the purpose of justifying murder and the oppression of women. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Additionally, do you think it’s inherently impossible to hold a pro-life (on abortion) stance and still advocate the death penalty? Of course not; it’s all about malice and hatred of women. It’s perfectly consistent for one to shoot a “abortion doctor” with one hand, and toss a hand grenade into a room full of children with the other, as long as he thinks those children’s mothers love them. They have no reason to be anti-death penalty. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > They view themselves as the protectors of innocent life - while not the defenders of guilty life. No, they SAY they do, but they are liars. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/144 "2009-06-01T06:31:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > ..Yep, better to distract him. Maybe he will not notice that you were hopelessly wrong. Somebody’s bound to notice, really, this place is full of smart-asses. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/145 "2009-06-01T06:34:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Believe it or not I had anticipated the possibility of such a response from **RNATB** , but discounted it as I felt even he would not be so foolish as to try to split that ridiculous hair. What hair is being split? He said no brain waves were possible BEFORE 20 weeks. Your cites in no way refute that. What are you even trying to contest? > [@](#): > > But seeing as how you’ve chosen to leap into that void yourself, am I to understand then that it’s your contention that during the 20th week there is a veritable explosion of neurons, dendrites, axons and synapses occurring within the cortex, thus suddenly rendering fetuses not only capable of conscious thought and movement but of survival outside the womb? I don’t see where any of that was contended at all. The contention was that no brain wave activity is possible before 20 weeks, not that it forms instantaneously, only that the brain doesn’t BEGIN to develop the necessary anatomy until then. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/146 "2009-06-01T06:40:16Z")
[Snipping the rest as the Greek idiot is still trying to distract.] > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > How so? **RNATB** made a claim about twenty-week-old fetuses. I showed beyond a doubt that that claim was false if applied to twenty-one-week old fetuses. Perhaps you’d care to show how that proves him right and me ‘hopelessly wrong’? :rolleyes: 21 weeks is more time than 20 weeks. BTW development in fetuses is really fast. I thought before that time line ignorance among conservatives was a joke, but I always find people like you that show that the syndrome is a real one. I call it the Time-line Avoidance Syndrome. TAS for short. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/147 "2009-06-01T06:46:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Somebody’s bound to notice, really, this place is full of smart-asses. Okay, **il luce** , here’s your chance to shine…just how was I wrong? (And I’d love to have you on record as defending the notion that twenty-week-old babies lack brain waves when they can move and live outside the womb a week later.) > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I don’t see where any of that was contended at all. The contention was that no brain wave activity is possible before 20 weeks, not that it forms instantaneously, only that the brain doesn’t BEGIN to develop the necessary anatomy until then. Yes, it was a contention made by **RNATB** with no proof whatsoever. I offered proof that a week later babies are capable of physical movement in response to stimuli and to survival outside the womb as premature babies. So I’d say the likelihood is that **RNATB** is wrong, as it’s hardly likely that such dramatic development would occur suddenly and spontaneously at twenty-one weeks. If you or **RNATB** have proof to back up his ‘contention’ I’d be happy to look at it. But having said all that, will you, **GIGObuster** and any other abortion supporters around here be willing to concede then that at twenty-one-weeks a human fetus has indeed become a viable human being? I don’t see how you could possibly claim otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/148 "2009-06-01T06:50:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yes, it was a contention made by **RNATB** with no proof whatsoever. I offered proof that a week later babies are capable of physical movement in response to stimuli and to survival outside the womb as premature babies. So I’d say the likelihood is that **RNATB** is wrong, as it’s hardly likely that such dramatic development would occur suddenly and spontaneously at twenty-one weeks. If you or **RNATB** have proof to back up his ‘contention’ I’d be happy to look at it. Your cites did not offer any evidence that he was wrong. > [@](#): > > But having said all that, will you, GIGObuster and any other abortion supporters be willing to concede then that at twenty-one-weeks a human fetus has indeed become a viable human being? I don’t see how you could possibly claim otherwise. Irrelevant for this discussion. The subject is the murder of a doctor. Deal with it, not with your Greek idiotic hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/149 "2009-06-01T06:56:15Z")
Given your responses to the information I’ve provided above, I hardly think you’re in a position to be calling anyone an idiot. And it’s not a hijack at all. It goes to explain why some people are moved to murder abortion doctors in order to prevent the [often gruesome] killing of unborn babies…as that’s what they clearly are during at least the last four months of pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/150 "2009-06-01T07:01:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > But having said all that, will you, **GIGObuster** and any other abortion supporters around here be willing to concede then that at twenty-one-weeks a human fetus has indeed become a viable human being? I don’t see how you could possibly claim otherwise. “Viability” is more a technological definition than anything, not an ethical one; it refers to the point where a fetus can be kept alive. Fifty years from now, viability might well be “zero weeks” with the use of artificial wombs; it’s hardly a good definition of whether or not something should be treated as a person. And second, all this talk about brain waves at best sets an absolute minimum where the fetus can have a human mind; it’s rather unlikely that it _poof_ actually has one right then. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And it’s not a hijack at all. It goes to explain why some people are moved to murder abortion doctors in order to prevent the [often gruesome] killing of unborn babies…as that’s what they clearly are during at least the last four months of pregnancy. “Unborn babies” that are either beyond saving, or will kill the mother. Something they clearly don’t care about - but then, that’s because they \*\*\*don’t really care \*\*\*in the slightest about babies. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/151 "2009-06-01T07:05:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Given your responses to the information I’ve provided above, I hardly think you’re in a position to be calling anyone an idiot. > > And it’s not a hijack at all. It goes to explain why some people are moved to murder abortion doctors in order to prevent the [often gruesome] killing of unborn babies…as that’s what they clearly are during at least the last four months of pregnancy. And that shows once again what an ignoramus you are. The doctor was already under the treat of lawsuits if he did not follow the restrictive laws in Kansas. It was the health of the woman and the fetus that were the most likely reasons why this doctor practiced abortions. The explanation mentioned is mostly a bogus one. The extreme fundamentalist murderer had not even that rotten justification. BTW a Greek idiot does not mean what you think it is, it is just another item on the mountain of evidence that shows that you are a certified ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/152 "2009-06-01T07:36:17Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “Viability” is more a technological definition than anything, not an ethical one; it refers to the point where a fetus can be kept alive. Fifty years from now, viability might well be “zero weeks” with the use of artificial wombs; it’s hardly a good definition of whether or not something should be treated as a person. It most certainly is an ethical one. If a fetus has developed sufficient brain, nervous system and internal organ development to allow it to move about and even breath outside the womb, no credible argument can be made that it is a mindless glob of tissue and that therefore no harm is done in aborting it. And this doesn’t even speak of the atricious way in which they are subjected to death, often by being torn limb from limb. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And second, all this talk about brain waves at best sets an absolute minimum where the fetus can have a human mind; it’s rather unlikely that it _poof_ actually has one right then. I agree wholeheartedly…but then I’m not the one claiming that fetal brains go ‘poof’ in the twenty-first week. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “Unborn babies” that are either beyond saving, or will kill the mother. Hardly…unless you are speaking solely of late-term abortions conducted to save the mother’s life. And in this case I would have no objection, provided that it was done so humanely rather than in the horrible way it’s often done now. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Something they clearly don’t care about - but then, that’s because they \*\*\*don’t really care \*\*\*in the slightest about babies. _I_ care about them, and that proves you wrong. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > The doctor was already under the treat of lawsuits if he did not follow the restrictive laws in Kansas. It was the health of the woman and the fetus that were the most likely reasons why this doctor practiced abortions. Note your use of the word, ‘likely’. It undermines your entire claim. Further, Dr. Tiller has been under investigation for \*multiple violations \*of Kansas law. This from the _Los Angeles Times_ as of January 31 of '08: \*One of the nation’s few late-term abortion doctors was ordered Wednesday to turn over about 2,000 patient medical records to a Kansas grand jury investigating his practice. Abortion opponents hope that the records will lead to further criminal charges against Dr. George Tiller, who already is facing 19 misdemeanor counts stemming from late-second and third-trimester abortions at his clinic in Wichita.\* [Link](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-01/35035863.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tiller31jan31,1,4756825.story&usg=__fDxguon7LIgx84OcsoOHNTo4JCs=&h=300&w=500&sz=43&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=MyFKQMs5q1AYCM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Dr.%2BGeorge%2BTiller%2522%26as_st%3Dy%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG) So it appears that there is certainly some question as to whether he was performing abortions in accordance with state law and/or solely to save womens’ lives. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > The explanation mentioned is mostly a bogus one. You keep saying things like this but you never explain yourself. Just how is it bogus? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > BTW a Greek idiot does not mean what you think it is, it is just another item on the mountain of evidence that shows that you are a certified ignorant. What mountain of evidence? The evidence I presented is irrefutable, whereas the ‘mountain of evidence’ you posted in flaccid rebuttal was merely to tell me my comments were off-topic and a hijack of the thread. But I do thank you for the explication of ‘Greek idiot’. Now, if you want to see one, I suggest you look in the nearest available mirror, because the mountain of evidence with regard to this issue is clearly not in your favor. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/153 "2009-06-01T07:37:07Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m pro abortion generally for practical reasons, but I hate the arguments that abortion supporters use about 90% of the time. You’re “pro-abortion”? Pfft. Sophist. _ **I’m** _ “pro-unborn-baby-murder.” Seriously though, you’re right that the terminology of the debate becomes oppressive. As a matter of course, people latch on to definitions and argue semantics, to the complete exclusion of the things they fundamentally disagree about. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/154 "2009-06-01T07:46:23Z")
It’s a crying fucking shame what happened to Dr. Tiller. I don’t know anything at all, really, about the man, his career or his patients and family, but no one deserves to have their life stolen from them by anyone else if they’re abiding by the law (and even if not the case, let it be brought to justice through our legal system). When it comes to morals, it’s a different story. I’m pro-choice because I believe everyone needs to make those moral calls for themselves. Since abortion is one of the grayest areas of all time, we’re going to have to be content with drawing a safe line, from a scientific standpoint, and say no abortions beyond this point, unless it greatly endangers the life of the mother. Which seems to be what we have in place. That said, I also feel really skanky about the thought of terminating a pregnancy, well underway. I can’t help but see a person in progress. An individual is growing there, not merely a lump of cells. Don’t fuck with it, and one day it might write music, or who knows what? So, let that be on the mother and father’s head. If they can sleep with that, fine. For me? I got my Vas difference clipped. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/155 "2009-06-01T07:49:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It most certainly is an ethical one. If a fetus has developed sufficient brain, nervous system and internal organ development to allow it to move about and even breath outside the womb, no credible argument can be made that it is a mindless glob of tissue and that therefore no harm is done in aborting it. You do realize that by that definition a slug qualifies as human ? And you ignore the fact that “viability” depends on available medical technology as much as the devolopment of the fetus. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Hardly…unless you are speaking solely of late-term abortions conducted to save the mother’s life. And in this case I would have no objection, provided that it was done so humanely rather than in the horrible way it’s often done now. So if there’s no chance of a viable baby resulting, you want to force the mother to go through birth anyway. Which isn’t surprising; as I’ve said, opposition to abortion is about hurting women, and nothing more. And late term abortions are ALWAYS about saving the mother, or a nonviable fetus; and in Kansas only the former. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > _I_ care about them, and that proves you wrong. Except that I think you are lying. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Note your use of the word, ‘likely’. It undermines your entire claim. And if I didn’t use that word you’d talk about how fanatically certain I was no doubt. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Further, Dr. Tiller has been under investigation for \*multiple violations \*of Kansas law. This from the _Los Angeles Times_ as of January 31 of '08: > > \*One of the nation’s few late-term abortion doctors was ordered Wednesday to turn over about 2,000 patient medical records to a Kansas grand jury investigating his practice. > > Abortion opponents hope that the records will lead to further criminal charges against Dr. George Tiller, who already is facing 19 misdemeanor counts stemming from late-second and third-trimester abortions at his clinic in Wichita.\* > > [Link](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-01/35035863.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tiller31jan31,1,4756825.story&usg=__fDxguon7LIgx84OcsoOHNTo4JCs=&h=300&w=500&sz=43&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=MyFKQMs5q1AYCM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Dr.%2BGeorge%2BTiller%2522%26as_st%3Dy%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG) > > So it appears that there is certainly some question as to whether he was performing abortions in accordance with state law and/or solely to save womens’ lives. Please; he was under constant legal harassment from anti-abortion vermin like yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/156 "2009-06-01T07:51:53Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > An individual is growing there, not merely a lump of cells. Don’t fuck with it, and one day it might write music, or who knows what? Or become the next Hitler ? That every-sperm-is-sacred oh-what-might-it-become argument doesn’t work for multiple reasons. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/157 "2009-06-01T07:54:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You keep saying things like this but you never explain yourself. Just how is it bogus? The killer did not even had the excuse you are claiming he had in his favor in this case. > [@](#): > > What mountain of evidence? The evidence I presented is irrefutable, Sure, if you can magically demonstrate that 21 weeks are smaller than 20. > [@](#): > > whereas the ‘mountain of evidence’ you posted in flaccid rebuttal was merely to tell me my comments were off-topic and a hijack of the thread. Yes, indeed you are attempting to avoid dealing with the issue at hand and turn this into just another discussion on abortion. > [@](#): > > But I do thank you for the explication of ‘Greek idiot’. Now, if you want to see one, I suggest you look in the nearest available mirror, because the mountain of evidence with regard to this issue is clearly not in your favor. To counteract your willful ignorance, an ancient greed idiot was: > **[Idiot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_(usage))** > > An idiot, in modern use, is a stupid or foolish person. Idiot was formerly a technical term in legal and psychiatric contexts for some kinds of profound intellectual disability where the mental age is two years or less, and the person cannot guard themself against common physical dangers. The term was gradually replaced by "profound mental retardation", which has since been replaced by other terms. Along with terms like moron, imbecile, retard and cretin, its use to describe people with mental > [@](#): > > [one] Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), such as the Athenian democracy, was considered dishonorable. “Idiots” were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Just by continuing to show obtuseness with the time lines you demonstrate that you are indeed a Greek idiot. And this murderer had no valid justification also. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/158 "2009-06-01T08:02:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Or become the next Hitler ? That every-sperm-is-sacred oh-what-might-it-become argument doesn’t work for multiple reasons. Or the next abortionist murderer, the point is you’re missing the point. If the kid grows up to be an asshole, that’s why we have fucking laws in the first place. I never said anything about anything being sacred. A sperm isn’t a human, it only carries half the code. I’m talking about terminating a human. Your call if/when you think it’s cool. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/159 "2009-06-01T08:03:06Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Operation Rescue’s site is down. They must be shitting bricks right now. …or at least too busy contacting lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280/160 "2009-06-01T08:12:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Note your use of the word, ‘likely’. It undermines your entire claim. Further, Dr. Tiller has been under investigation for \*multiple violations \*of Kansas law. This from the _Los Angeles Times_ as of January 31 of '08: > > \*One of the nation’s few late-term abortion doctors was ordered Wednesday to turn over about 2,000 patient medical records to a Kansas grand jury investigating his practice. > > Abortion opponents hope that the records will lead to further criminal charges against Dr. George Tiller, who already is facing 19 misdemeanor counts stemming from late-second and third-trimester abortions at his clinic in Wichita.\* > > [Link](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-01/35035863.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tiller31jan31,1,4756825.story&usg=__fDxguon7LIgx84OcsoOHNTo4JCs=&h=300&w=500&sz=43&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=MyFKQMs5q1AYCM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Dr.%2BGeorge%2BTiller%2522%26as_st%3Dy%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG) > > So it appears that there is certainly some question as to whether he was performing abortions in accordance with state law and/or solely to save womens’ lives. Speaking of avoiding timelines: [http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1226717.html](http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1226717.html) > [@](#): > > March 27, 2009: Tiller is acquitted of charges that he performed 19 illegal late-term abortions in 2003. Tiller is accused of having an improper financial relationship with Kristin Neuhaus, a Lawrence doctor who provided a second opinion in the 19 cases. Stop using your spam/blast emails from your relatives. Show us that you can use your own mind. (But I think Starving Artist will just use his ancient “wisdom” and turn March 27, 2009 into an event that has not taken place yet.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-performed-abortions-shot-to-death/498280.md?page=9)