# Doctor Who S7 E10 - "Hide" (Open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 20, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263 "2013-04-20T21:36:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/21 "2013-04-21T21:40:07Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Behind the scenes of Hide. > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaOYahFWBNA](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaOYahFWBNA) > > The production team called the monster the Crooked Man. That’s what it’s listed as in the credits, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/22 "2013-04-21T23:16:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Over on Gallifrey there’s a long thread about The Doctor mispronouncing Metabelis several times. It was apparently pronounced differently in the classic episodes. This is true, it was said met-a-BEE-lis three during the Pertwee era, where it was mentioned more than once - but Pertwee was also known to mispronounce things on a occasion so it could be a double-reference to him. > [@](#): > > Perhaps it was deliberate? Steven Moffat is a big classic Who fan. He would have caught an error like this. A clue perhaps? On top of that, Matt Smith has watched the entire collection of surviving episodes as part of researching his character (hence his repertoire of former Doctor body language, intonations, and quirks). _Matt Smith_ would be familiar with the earlier pronunciation, which makes me think that oh yes, this was deliberate. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/23 "2013-04-21T23:26:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Over on Gallifrey there’s a long thread about The Doctor mispronouncing Metabelis several times. It was apparently pronounced differently in the classic episodes. > > Perhaps it was deliberate? Steven Moffat is a big classic Who fan. He would have caught an error like this. A clue perhaps? \ I don’t really know. > > The Tardis Umbrella stand is another classic reference. Some seem to think its odd the Doctor can’t recall where it is. > > Just passing this along. My classic Who knowledge is minimal. I never saw an episode with a Tardis umbrella stand or a Metabelis crystal. Hmm. In “The Bells of Saint John” the servants of the Great Intelligence lose their memories, in “Rings” the Doctor invites the Pumpkin Sun god to eat his memories, and in “Hide” the Doctor forgets a couple of things. Anything relevant in “Cold War”? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/24 "2013-04-21T23:38:53Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The production team called the monster the Crooked Man. > [@](#): > > There was a crooked man and he walked a crooked mile, > He found a crooked sixpence upon a crooked stile. > He bought a crooked cat, which caught a crooked mouse. > And they all lived together in a little crooked house. Crooked House = TARDIS? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/25 "2013-04-21T23:48:43Z")
**Andy L** - Not from “Cold War”, but at the end of “the Snowmen”, the Doctor is discussing the Great Intelligence with Vastra & Jenny and he remarks (paraphrasing) “the Great Intelligence - it makes me think of something from long ago, if I could only remember…” I thought he was referring to the events of “the Abominable Snowmen” and “the Web of Fear”, but perhaps he wasn’t. As a side note, whenever Dougray Scott was on screen, I couldn’t help thinking _“He was Bryan Singer’s first choice to play Wolverine in X-Men.”_ Just hard to imagine him flashing adamantium blades and going toe-to-toe with Sabertooth. Clara: “Whiskey is the eleventh most disgusting thing ever invented.” Clara, you just went down a notch in my estimation of you. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/26 "2013-04-22T00:48:19Z")
I think Dougray Scott and Jessica Raine were amazing in this episode. Excellent performances from both, and even in just half of one episode managed to portray their relationship as convincingly genuine. Last week’s actors in the submarine were all fantastic, too. It’s easy for an actor to come into _Doctor Who_ and think “It’s for kids, I can go a bit over-the-top for this role” and there are plenty of performances in the series as evidence of that, but it’s almost always better to play it straight. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/27 "2013-04-22T00:56:03Z")
It was an entertaining enough episode, but there were a few things I didn’t quite follow about the plot. 1. Why was it called ‘Hide’ anyway? What is the significance of the title? - The monster hiding in the house? - The professor hiding his feelings for psychic girl? Either of these are just a minor plot point, like The Bells Of St John, but at least it was clear what that meant. 1. So, the monster has been living in the house for how long without being seen? Is that what the title means? 2. Who wrote ‘HELP ME’ on the wall? Was it time traveller girl? How and why? Or was it the monster asking for help? And why did the words fade out? 3. Where did Mr & Mrs monster come from, anyway? So, Time Traveller girl was a test pilot in a future experiment, I got that, but how did the monsters get caught in it? What caused the circular cold spot? And why did the chalk start smoking? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/28 "2013-04-22T10:29:36Z")
I loved this episode, and that monster seriously freaked my out - it wasn’t any less pretty after the reveal, but when it was just a bony spine moving in the shadows, or a distinctly non-human grey shape behind the trees, it was very much SCP-fodder. I think only the fairies in that one Torchwood episode freaked me out more. But this also served to reinforce the fact that I can’t really tell Dougray Scott and Gerard Butler apart. And I was getting serious _deja Who_ from Jessica Rayne - turns out I was confusing her for Michelle Duncan (Lady Isobel from _Tooth and Claw_) ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/29 "2013-04-22T10:56:31Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What caused the circular cold spot? That was where the entry point was to the pocket universe. I don’t have any answers for your other questions. I think they may have been victims of editing. ---
**Author:** ![LaurenIpsum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@LaurenIpsum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LaurenIpsum)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/30 "2013-04-22T12:57:10Z")
This is the second episode (I think) where Clara commented that the Tardis didn’t like her. I’ve seen enough episodes of this show to make me think that any phrase/idea that gets mentioned in more than one episode is likely to be important to the story arc. So I’m wondering if the Tardis knows that there are multiple “copies” of Clara in space and time and has a problem with her because of it. Similar to how the Tardis didn’t like Jack because his immortality was, as 10 put it, “wrong.” ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/31 "2013-04-22T14:04:22Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > My son was shouting “Be careful! You accidentally killed a psychic with that crystal once!” > > It was the perfect allusion to old Who. You didn’t need to know anything about “The Green Death” or “Planet of the Spiders” to enjoy the episode. But, if you know the history of that piece of rock, it makes everything seem so much richer. > > What’s funny is that the original episodes about Metebilis 3 aired the same year this episode was set. I had a bit of fanboy sqwee when, The Doctor referred to the blue crystal. I knew exactly where to get one, then remembered the UNIT episodes were set in 1980. This was a good episode. It was very reminiscent of the Tom Baker era. It had a gothic mystery (ooh - haunted mansion) with a sci-fi explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Sealemon88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Sealemon88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sealemon88)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/32 "2013-04-23T03:19:27Z")
So I feel like an idiot for asking this, but was The Crooked Man a “companion” of the frozen time traveler, or was he searching for his wife/lover/friend and he/she wasn’t actually shown in the episode? I assumed he was with the time traveler, but the way the Doctor just took him on the TARDIS and basically yelled “let’s go!” seemed kind of abrupt. I would have thought there would have been an actual scene where the two of them were reunited. And I’m embarrassed, because I’m sure I missed something in the episode that answered this, but I already deleted the episode. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/33 "2013-04-23T04:19:33Z")
You missed the fact that there is a monster in the forest, and another monster in the house. They are husband/ wife. The ~Doctor says its the male in the forest, and the female in the house, but how he knew is bit of a puzzle. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/34 "2013-04-23T13:01:41Z")
I thought he just guessed. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/35 "2013-04-23T13:41:11Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > You missed the fact that there is a monster in the forest, and another monster in the house. They are husband/ wife. I’m sure it must have been a beutiful ceremony.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/36 "2013-04-23T14:10:07Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > And the bit of dialogue between the psychic and the Doctor: “Will it hurt.” “No, not really, well probably…a lot”, was that a deliberate homage to dialogue in “the Doctor’s Wife” or did the writer just brazenly steal it? I saw it as a shout-out to 10’s trademark “weeeelllll…” but maybe not. sad to say, another yawner for me (and my wife. she’s finally awake when I’m watching DW now, since she’s not pregnant anymore, and it figures, this is when the show slides downhill. Why couldn’t she have been awake for the good stuff? (no, she wasn’t pregnant for 7 years, I just binge-watched nuWho over the summer and fall)). I love ghost stories, but this was a pretty by-the-numbers one. (even considering the sci-fi twist). ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/37 "2013-04-23T14:26:54Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > And I was getting serious _deja Who_ from Jessica Rayne - turns out I was confusing her for Michelle Duncan (Lady Isobel from _Tooth and Claw_) You could have DejaBBC about Jessica Raine… she stars in the series “Call the Midwife.” ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/38 "2013-04-23T14:51:18Z")
Imagine you’re Earth’s first\* time traveler. You’re from the year 2413 and you step into the Quantum Leap Accelerator and vanish. You find yourself in the woods. For several minutes, you’re chased by a monster from the mist. Then a guy in a bowtie shows up and you get thrown back through a wormhole into 1974. Neat ride, huh? Now imagine this guy in a bowtie says “sorry. History recorded you as dying so there’s not a heck of a lot I can do.” Would your reaction be “Meh. That’s cool. I’ll just chill here in the '70s. What’s up, great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grand meemaw?” Or would your reaction be “You’re going to abandon me, 400 years before I was born where history will quite clearly record that I existed. LOL. Fuck that noise.”? \*first assuming you ignore the Doctor’s companions, Cap’n Jack, and Marty McFly just for fun. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/39 "2013-04-23T14:56:05Z")
> [@lisacurl](#): > > You could have DejaBBC about Jessica Raine… she stars in the series “Call the Midwife.” Never seen it. Was definitely thinking of Duncan. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263/40 "2013-04-23T15:20:30Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Or would your reaction be “You’re going to abandon me, 400 years before I was born where history will quite clearly record that I existed. LOL. Fuck that noise.”? Where history _has already quite clearly recorded that you existed_. > [@](#): > > \*first assuming you ignore the Doctor’s companions, Cap’n Jack, and Marty McFly just for fun. Jack is from way, way, way, way, way after Hila. Hila comes from the early-mid 22nd century (so, less than 200 years removed from the time the episode was set in), Jack is from the early 51st, more than 3000 years after the episode is set. And, while most of the Doctor’s human companions date from before her (I think only Jack and River (sort of), of the TV companions come from later), there’s a huge difference between being whisked off by an alien, and being the pilot of your own human built (or at least built with technology that humans have access to) time travel device. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e10-hide-open-spoilers/656263.md?page=3)