# Doctor Who: S7 E12 "The Crimson Horror" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 4, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495 "2013-05-04T20:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Cornelius\_Tuggerson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cornelius_Tuggerson)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/61 "2013-05-07T15:21:42Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > I enjoyed it as well. Kept me off balance for the most part. Strax is always fun (finally got the gender right with Mrs. G, of all people) and I love Victorian London… Yorkshire… whatever. > > \*Horse! You have failed in your mission. Do you have any final words, before your summary execution? \*😃 _Fourth one this week! And I’m not even hungry._ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/62 "2013-05-07T15:34:11Z")
This was a fun episode for all of the above reasons. I caught the TomTom joke, and knew the “Australian at Heathrow” comment was a reference to something specific but didn’t connect it to Tegan. Strax looked so utterly happy when he finally got to shoot something, although it was short-lived. And the Doctor managed to work in “There’s trouble at t’mill” which made me laugh. I too am sick of the Cybermen (and indeed the Daleks) but can only hope that Neil G will make it worth our while. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/63 "2013-05-07T17:35:44Z")
Am I the only one that thought while watching the scene that the lizard thing was going to attach itself to Ana, and Ana was going to let it? I was thinking she’d get a new pet monster, maybe her goodness would make a good lizard symbiotic relationship and they’d be happy together…right about here is when she stepped on it. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/64 "2013-05-07T17:52:51Z")
> [@Sister\_Vigilante](#): > > I definitely saw the Katharine Hepburn in there. Something about the accent… Catch Rigg’s role in the current series of _Game of Thrones_. She had a scene with Charles Dance that made me wish they’d do another remake of _The Lion in Winter_. (Not that even one remake was ever needed.) Ana was played by Diana Rigg’s real daughter–who also had a role in _The Bletchley Circle_, which finished on PBS last Sunday night. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/65 "2013-05-07T19:33:39Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Which led to my absolute favourite line from Doctor Who, ever. Sarcastic Dalek FTW: “You are superior in only one respect… You are better at dying!” I liked the lines leading up to that. Cyber Leader: We have five million Cybermen. How many are you? Dalek Sec: Four. Cyber Leader: You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks? Dalek Sec: We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek! ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/66 "2013-05-07T19:45:58Z")
and a little later: Rose Tyler: Five million Cybermen, easy. One Doctor? NOW you’re scared! ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/67 "2013-05-07T20:35:13Z")
> [@Hermione](#): > > Oh, and did anyone catch the Sherlock Holmes reference? > > The story revolves around a repulsive red leech, right? Well, “the repulsive story of the red leech” was one of the unrecorded cases Watson mentioned in passing in the intro to one of the stories. Didn’t Mrs Gillyflower offer the Doctor a glass of amontillado at one point? Poe reference? And, of course, The Doctor: “There’s trouble at t’mill!” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/68 "2013-05-07T20:56:10Z")
OK, someone is going to have to explain the “There’s trouble at t’mill!” reference because I’m not getting it. Thankyouinadvance. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/69 "2013-05-07T21:09:09Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > OK, someone is going to have to explain the “There’s trouble at t’mill!” reference because I’m not getting it. Thankyouinadvance. I didn’t catch it either but found this:The ten-part period drama revolved around the fortunes of the Oldroyds, a Yorkshire mill owning family from 1812 to 1965. The early part of the series featured the Luddite riots involving the burning of mills and the subsequent execution of those responsible. _ **The series turned the expression “There’s trouble at t’mill” into a catchphrase.** _ [Inheritance (TV series) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_%28TV_series%29) ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/70 "2013-05-07T21:30:11Z")
> [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](#): > > Didn’t Mrs Gillyflower offer the Doctor a glass of amontillado at one point? Poe reference? She did. I caught that too. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/71 "2013-05-07T22:05:16Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > OK, someone is going to have to explain the “There’s trouble at t’mill!” reference because I’m not getting it. Thankyouinadvance. It’s a fairly standard signifier of being from the “North”, at least in the UK. It just means “uh-oh”. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/72 "2013-05-08T00:52:30Z")
_sigh_ My main problem is, I can’t (still) buy Matt Smith as the Doctor, so I can’t get swept up in the ride and ignore jarring notes. I’m glad I seem to be in the minority, and that most people are enjoying this iteration of the Doctor. That said…they’re standing in what is, essentially, a missile silo, the thing takes off - and they’re not burned to a crisp!?! Argh! On the good side, I did enjoy Strax as noted above - I’d like to see him as a Companion. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/73 "2013-05-08T01:58:07Z")
I liked the reference to Tegan from the 4th/5th Doctor days. (The “gobby Australian” he spent a long time trying to get to Heathrow Airport) > [@galen ubal](#): > > _sigh_ My main problem is, I can’t (still) buy Matt Smith as the Doctor, so I can’t get swept up in the ride and ignore jarring notes. I’m glad I seem to be in the minority, and that most people are enjoying this iteration of the Doctor. Honestly, I was worried when they replaced Christopher Eccleston with David Tennant, but I liked him. And I was worried when they replaced Tennant with Matt Smith (no relation) because I thought Smith just looked like a younger, lankier more manic version, but I like him now. Plus Smith is a lot more fun. The last two guys were so morose all the time and it was always Rose this and Rose that. I’m just glad we’re finally rid of the Ponds. > [@dropzone](#): > > And her daughter, too. As for Diana, bad hair, ugly clothes, no makeup, and being 74 will do that to ya. Plus acting old, because 74 was pretty old in 1893. 74 is old as fuck in 2013 too. > [@Bridget Burke](#): > > Catch Rigg’s role in the current series of Game of Thrones. Doctor Who recycles a number of GoT actors. I’ve also seen the Onion Knight, Jorah Mormont and the kid who plays Anya’s blacksmith pal in episodes. That’s just what I recall of the top of my head. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/74 "2013-05-08T02:05:06Z")
Oh yeah, I love the show and am completely and totally addicted but it feels to me like a completely different show that just happens to have the same mythology, jargon and history. But I don’t really feel that historical run-up the way I did with OldWho and the previous seasons of NuWho. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/75 "2013-05-08T02:19:21Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > 74 is old as fuck in 2013 too. Haven’t you heard? [Seventy is the new fifty.](https://www.google.com/search?q=Seventy+is+the+new+fifty&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs) As for “Trouble at t’mill,” what may have firmly embedded it in the lexicon was [Monty Python.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDVIViWW74) It showing up in Doctor Who is no surprise, given the fundamental interconnectedness of British pop culture. ETA: Bet you didn’t expect that. ---
**Author:** ![dogbutler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogbutler/32/428_2.png) [@dogbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dogbutler)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/76 "2013-05-08T03:29:29Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Haven’t you heard? [Seventy is the new fifty.](https://www.google.com/search?q=Seventy+is+the+new+fifty&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs) > > As for “Trouble at t’mill,” what may have firmly embedded it in the lexicon was [Monty Python.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDVIViWW74) It showing up in Doctor Who is no surprise, given the fundamental interconnectedness of British pop culture. > > ETA: Bet you didn’t expect that. _Nobody expects the Gallifreyan Inquistion!_ ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/77 "2013-05-08T03:38:04Z")
And where the hell was Cardinal Biggles when you needed him last Saturday? Like I said: Fundamentally interconnected. ---
**Author:** ![Galanthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Galanthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galanthus)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/78 "2013-05-08T11:32:15Z")
The whole “No one expects the Spanish Inquisition…” thing is even funnier when you know that everyone expected them. They had to give 30 days notice … ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/79 "2013-05-08T22:54:11Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > It’s a fairly standard signifier of being from the “North”, at least in the UK. It just means “uh-oh”. Weird, I would associate that with Lassie, right after “Timmy fell in a well”. Doesn’t mean it ever actually happened on Lassie, mind you, but neither did the well. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495/80 "2013-05-09T21:15:29Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Weird, I would associate that with Lassie, right after “Timmy fell in a well”. Doesn’t mean it ever actually happened on Lassie, mind you, but neither did the well. I would associate “Timmy fell in a well” with Skippy the Bush Kangaroo. And I’m not even Australian. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7-e12-the-crimson-horror/657495.md?page=5)