# Doctor Who S7E7 the Bells of Saint John **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381 "2013-03-30T21:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/21 "2013-03-31T05:47:43Z")
> [@CorneaGenii](#): > > 1. The words “timey-wimey”, “spacey-wacey”, “explodey-wodey”, or any combination of words with “ey” added at the end being worked into the dialogue. Happy crying… humany womany 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/22 "2013-03-31T05:57:13Z")
So the Great Intelligence is going to be the big bad heavy for this season? Should we expect to see giant robots in furry Abominable Snowmen costumes wielding guns that shoot oxygen-destroying webbing? I liked the episode, not as creepy as it was made out to be, but it had a decent concept and twists. Let me see if I have all the clues right - Victorian era Clara Oswald is a governess for widower with two kids. Modern day Clara Oswald is “helping out” with a widower watching his two kids and has no clue about the internet (not normal for a 24 yr-old girl in 2013 London.) Thanks to the evil wi-fi, Clara suddenly is a genius computer programmer. She also makes a joke about “Oswald for the win = Oswin!” Future-age Oswin Oswald is such a computer genius that the Daleks attempt to convert her into one of them, and she is able to hack into their systems. Oh, and a mysterious person (apparently a woman) gave modern-day Clara a phone number to call the TARDIS phone number. So, could that mystery woman be: 1. River Song? 2. Madame Vastra or Miss Jenny? 3. Clara herself from some future point in time? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/23 "2013-03-31T06:02:02Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Oh, and a mysterious person (apparently a woman) gave modern-day Clara a phone number to call the TARDIS phone number. So, could that mystery woman be: > > 1. River Song? > 2. Madame Vastra or Miss Jenny? > 3. Clara herself from some future point in time? Sally Sparrow! ---
**Author:** ![midnight-dreary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@midnight-dreary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/midnight-dreary)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/24 "2013-03-31T10:55:38Z")
Anyone else notice the book, ‘Summer Falls’, was written by ‘Amelia Williams’? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/25 "2013-03-31T12:19:27Z")
But I thought The Doctor was now trying to fly under the radar and officiallly never existed. So what’s with the "Under my Protection. - The Doctor"message? And midnight-dreary, standingwave did. See his/her spoiler box. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/26 "2013-03-31T14:22:46Z")
I’m just glad to see the Doctor back to having adventures instead of the interminable Farewell to Amy & Rory Show. ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/27 "2013-03-31T14:31:57Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > BTW, here’s why they got confused at [Earl’s Court](http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/uk_enl_1199712723/img/1.jpg). Thanks for that! I was certain there was some kind of joke there, but forgot to Google. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/28 "2013-03-31T14:53:10Z")
Excellent episode and I am in danger of loving Clar. She has the makings of a great companion and Jenna-Louise Coleman is breath taking. Lots of humor in this Ep and some odd things. I loved the mobile phone joke mentioned by **Tangent**. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/29 "2013-03-31T14:59:33Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Clara seemed to have some romantic interest in the Doctor. I lost count of the times she chided him for wanting to get her in the Blue Box. Then she makes a comment like “Don’t be in such a hurry” > > She’s projecting some pretty strong interest on the Doctor. I think she’s just flirty. > [@The Hamster King](#): > > I’m just glad to see the Doctor back to having adventures instead of the interminable Farewell to Amy & Rory Show. Amen brother. Honestly though, I’m kind of sick of the companions being at the center of some universe-shaking plot device. ie Rose and the whole “Bad Wolf” story arc, Amy’s bedroom cracks / daughter and now Constantly dying Clara. What happened to just picking up some curious girl and carting her around time and space getting into random adventures? Plus what’s so odd about Clara dying all the time? Rory must have gotten himself killed like a dozen times. ---
**Author:** ![Slade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Slade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slade)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/30 "2013-03-31T16:43:14Z")
I’m pretty sure that conversation in the plane cockpit is a direct quote from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Isn’t there a scene there where Zaphod and Ford steal a spaceship and, when they discover neither of them can fly it, Zaphod blithely announces they’ll do it together? ---
**Author:** ![Slade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Slade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slade)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/31 "2013-03-31T16:50:13Z")
Got it. Third episode of the original Hitchhikers radio series: ZAPHOD: “Right. Um look we’ve got to get manual control of this ship.” TRILLIAN: “Can you fly her?” ZAPHOD: “No. Can you?” TRILLIAN: “No.” ZAPHOD: “Ford?” FORD: “No.” ZAPHOD: “Fine we’ll do it together.” ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/32 "2013-03-31T17:04:22Z")
Ftr, BBC Books are to release a new ebook to tie in with the new series episode The Bells of Saint John, which premiered this weekend: > [@](#): > > Doctor Who: Summer Falls > By Amelia Williams > **[Doctor Who News - Summer Falls](https://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/03/summer-falls-310313000008.html)** > > BBC Books are to release a new ebook to tie in with the new series episode The Bells of Saint John, which premiered this weekend. The ebook is published ... (from Doctor Who News) ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/33 "2013-03-31T17:09:50Z")
btw, “Chapter 11” was eleventh Doctor, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/34 "2013-03-31T17:23:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But I thought The Doctor was now trying to fly under the radar and officiallly never existed. So what’s with the > > "Under my Protection. > - The Doctor"message? I assume the Doctor had already sussed out that the Great Intelligence - who he matched wits with in the _previous episode_, after all - was responsible for infiltrating the Wifi, and since it presumably remembered who he was from the last couple of times he’d foiled it, he figured he could intimidate it by identifying himself. Overall, a solid episode, even if I’m pretty sure the cold open was a creepypasta from 2008. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/35 "2013-03-31T19:08:40Z")
GI did a lousy job of warning the Shard about the Doctor. ‘There’s a guy called the Doctor that might try to stop us.’ ‘OK, what should we be prepared for him to do?’ ‘_shrug_’ ---
**Author:** ![Mavic\_Chen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@Mavic\_Chen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mavic_Chen)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/36 "2013-03-31T21:51:04Z")
It’s a shame, it seems that the show hasn’t moved on since it’s return in 2005. Every step of this episode followed the usual formula. ---
**Author:** ![Mavic\_Chen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@Mavic\_Chen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mavic_Chen)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/37 "2013-03-31T21:52:37Z")
> [@Slade](#): > > Got it. Third episode of the original Hitchhikers radio series: > > ZAPHOD: “Right. Um look we’ve got to get manual control of this ship.” > TRILLIAN: “Can you fly her?” > ZAPHOD: “No. Can you?” > TRILLIAN: “No.” > ZAPHOD: “Ford?” > FORD: “No.” > ZAPHOD: “Fine we’ll do it together.” Arthur says something like “I can’t either” and Zaphod says “I guessed that”. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/38 "2013-03-31T22:14:26Z")
I loved the cinematography when Clara first goes into the TARDIS with the Doctor then they go back out and into the plane. It wasn’t a single shot, but the editing was quite clever and it almost seemed like it. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/39 "2013-04-01T00:12:17Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > It wasn’t a single shot, but the editing was quite clever and it almost seemed like it. There was another clever wipe when the Doctor was talking to the beardy guy at the roadside about the AntiGrav-Olympics, then raced off on the motorcycle. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381/40 "2013-04-02T04:06:20Z")
I wonder if it will be relevant that the ages in Clara’s journal skipped from [del]22[/del] to 24. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-s7e7-the-bells-of-saint-john/654381.md?page=3)