# Doctor Who Season 5 US pace thread. \[No Spoilers until US Airing\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 19, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640 "2010-04-19T17:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/201 "2010-06-17T23:26:35Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Ah. I just ordered the previous seasons on DVD, so I’m looking forward to seeing that. > > I have to ask though… is it really irrational to be jealous of a guy your girlfriend chooses to spend all her time with? I wouldn’t be interested in being the Doctor’s companion’s boyfriend. Absolutely not. Even if you know nothing untoward is going on, you can miss the person and be jealous that the other person is getting to spend more time with her. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/202 "2010-06-18T04:42:46Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Ah. I just ordered the previous seasons on DVD, so I’m looking forward to seeing that. > > I have to ask though… is it really irrational to be jealous of a guy your girlfriend chooses to spend all her time with? I wouldn’t be interested in being the Doctor’s companion’s boyfriend. Not only can she dump me for him, she can give him oral sex in front of me - as long as I get to time travel around the universe! ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/203 "2010-06-20T07:51:57Z")
The majority of “Cold Blood” was about as middling as its other half, but the ending was fairly good. No, I’m not the biggest Rory fan on the planet, but it’s less about how I feel about the character and more about liking the fact that they didn’t push the reset button at the end of the episode. The promo for next week looked interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/204 "2010-06-21T15:16:31Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I am wondering what is the significance of the Doctor at the beginning of the episode spotting the “future” Amy and Rory in the distance waving at them. Maybe it was an attempt at a warning? But then, they should know it wouldn’t have worked. And maybe they’re not really from the timeline that they are currently visiting. Rory took some satisfaction that he and Amy will still be together in ten years, but I’m betting they are going to do some time-jumping in the next episode and end up waving at themselves as they first arrive. If that makes any sense. It looks like this was just another example of how time can be rewritten. Okay, Moffat, we get it. Now, about that piece of the Tardis the Doctor pulled out of the Bright Shiny Crack… ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/205 "2010-06-21T16:27:53Z")
> [@Sean\_Factotum](#): > > Okay, Moffat, we get it. Nah, you’ll _still_ have people saying, “That can’t happen because they already…” Trust me, I’ve seen the future. Anyway, I think the important thing there is that _Rory_ didn’t get it until it was too late, which really comes down to another failure on the part of the Doctor to look after people properly. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/206 "2010-06-21T20:11:20Z")
This second half had a better portrayal of The Doctor. It felt right with him setting up the Silurians and the Humans to work out this new opportunity; his excitement at their chance; his anger at the lost chance, etc. The Doctor keeping his anger in check after finding that mom and killed Alaya was good. Such a huge opportunity missed. And he didn’t let her off the hook. He said she had to make her son the best he could be. Was that just the Doctor looking at the big picture and making good from bad? Or was it foreshadowing the Doctor’s guilt at himself for acting in the Time War and his participation in so genocides and that maybe he’ll have to remake himself into a better person? I thought it was fishy when Amy and Rory noticed themselves on the far hill but the Doctor brushed off letting them see themselves. He must have seen that it was really himself and Amy. Which means that the future affected-by-the-Crack is what he saw. It was so sad seeing Amy forget Rory, but it was expected, and the sadness the Doctor felt was palpable. I still am annoyed at her for how she treated him all the time. I can imagine in a thousand years that grandfather and his wife - mutated into Silurians - will make an interesting ambassadorial team to the Humans. The burned piece of the door could be due to just the door getting blown off and not the whole Tardis being blown up. But that’s not too dramatic, is it? ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/207 "2010-06-21T21:25:41Z")
> [@Corner\_Case](#): > > I thought it was fishy when Amy and Rory noticed themselves on the far hill but the Doctor brushed off letting them see themselves. He must have seen that it was really himself and Amy. Which means that the future affected-by-the-Crack is what he saw. It was quite obvious that was going to be a setup for something, that was for certain. I wasn’t expected to lose a character, so that was a big moment. Kept waiting for some TARDIS magic button to save Rory’s life… But at the end as Amy loses track of Rory in her mind the far hill clip is repeated and Amy is alone. ☹ ☹ The TARDIS shrapnel certainly ups the interest in the Crack in the Universe arc. Surely Moffat wouldn’t blow up the police box… Or would he… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/208 "2010-06-21T21:33:11Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > Surely Moffat wouldn’t blow up the police box… Or would he… 🙂 She’s a living thing and shouldn’t die. They could get another Tardis and set it to simulate a Police Box and then blow it up. Best to find another Tardis, maybe in the closet next to the cloak room or the boot closet. Shrink it and put it in the Doctor’s pocket. Then at some harrowing point switch the two. The Doctor is trapped, the Tardis blows up, and he takes the real Tardis out of his pocket and escapes. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/209 "2010-06-22T18:11:00Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > Surely Moffat wouldn’t blow up the police box… Or would he… 🙂 [Wouldn’t be the first time someone did.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1C0srVcLA) ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/210 "2010-06-22T19:52:58Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > [Wouldn’t be the first time someone did.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1C0srVcLA) My, that is quite the pickle, isn’t it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/211 "2010-06-22T19:56:58Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > My, that is quite the pickle, isn’t it. 🙂 Butt the view is outstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/212 "2010-06-22T20:01:18Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > [Wouldn’t be the first time someone did.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1C0srVcLA) Ah, some of the Radiophonic Workshop’s finest work, and of course Zoe’s arse. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/213 "2010-06-23T04:18:13Z")
I think the people who get pulled into the crack are going to be returned once the central mystery of the season has been solved. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/214 "2010-06-23T14:02:41Z")
Perhaps, like the Angels, the Crack dislocates you in time. It removes you from the current timeline but places you elsewhen in another timeline. It’s all based on how much energy your current lifeline held, so you could be anywhen in the past. You could have no memories of your old life, but where’s the fun in that. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/215 "2010-06-28T08:54:47Z")
Vincent and the Doctor - What an amazing episode this was. Beautiful in both the metaphorical and literal senses of the word. I choked up at the end too. And I got a huge kick out of the emotional and physical warmth of the episode - Amy’s excitement at meeting Vincent, and giving him sunflowers, and her hope that his life would change for the better when she returns to the museum, plus all the hugging and holding hands all around. And the bit with Dr Who as a a time travelers used to bouncing around in time having to sit there and wait all day for a painting to be finished was brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/216 "2010-06-29T16:08:16Z")
> [@Corner\_Case](#): > > Perhaps, like the Angels, the Crack dislocates you in time. It removes you from the current timeline but places you elsewhen in another timeline. It’s all based on how much energy your current lifeline held, so you could be anywhen in the past. You could have no memories of your old life, but where’s the fun in that. It would be very neat if the Army of Angels are now stuck in a time loop. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/217 "2010-06-29T17:40:02Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > I think the people who get pulled into the crack are going to be returned once the central mystery of the season has been solved. I hope not. That would, to me, really cheapen the losses of Rory and the Bishop-Colonel (or whatever his rank was). Amy still has this unexplained core of sadness (that Vincent saw, and the Doctor was trying to heal by being so nice to her at the beginning of “Vincent and The Doctor”) that has added a lot of depth to her. I think they’re gone - no, I don’t think that they’ve ever existed now. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/218 "2010-06-29T18:44:02Z")
Oh, and something that has been bothering me since the two-parter with River Song: where is the screwdriver that the Doctor gave her? Seems to me having it with her when she was onboard the starliner would have been a natural thing (easier to break and enter with a sonic than with a gun.) ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/219 "2010-06-29T19:07:07Z")
> [@Sean\_Factotum](#): > > Oh, and something that has been bothering me since the two-parter with River Song: where is the screwdriver that the Doctor gave her? Seems to me having it with her when she was onboard the starliner would have been a natural thing (easier to break and enter with a sonic than with a gun.) We don’t know at what point in her timeline the Doctor gave it to her. It’s very possible that he didn’t give it to her until right before her last mission, realizing it would be her next and last encounter with him. ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640/220 "2010-06-29T22:37:25Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > We don’t know at what point in her timeline the Doctor gave it to her. It’s very possible that he didn’t give it to her until right before her last mission, realizing it would be her next and last encounter with him. She actually says in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead that he gave her the sonic the last time she saw him. So barring any future wibbley wobbley timey wimeyness, that should be the only adventure they have together where she has the sonic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-5-us-pace-thread-no-spoilers-until-us-airing/536640.md?page=12)