# Doctor Who Season Season 11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620 "2018-10-07T18:58:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/161 "2018-10-23T05:49:38Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > They’ve sort of established that vortex manipulators are difficult to come by. Jack Harkness had one because he was a Time Agent. River Song got it from Dorium Maldovar who got it “fresh off the wrist of a handsome Time Agent." I don’t think we’ve seen another one until now, at least not in the new series. Yes, but that’s what they’re jeopardizing by showing some random prisoner with a vortex manipulator—if it’s hard to come by, it shouldn’t show up in just anyone’s hands (or on anyone’s wrist, as the case may be). Hence, my hoping that he’ll turn out to not be just anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/162 "2018-10-23T07:54:12Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Didn’t Alabama have anti-miscegenation laws at the time? Of course they did. I am an idiot. :smack: [Raymond Parks](https://www.usrepresented.com/2017/09/11/rosas-husband/) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/163 "2018-10-23T11:22:01Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > Even more hypocritical is the fact that, right before she gave Karl shit for pushing Tim Shaw off the crane, she revealed that she had transferred the DNA bombs into Tim Shaw, so that when he activated them, they detonated within his own body. Somehow that’s okay, but knocking a guy who was trying to kill you off of a high place isn’t. For some of us, violence/force is only justified when someone is an actual threat to life and limb. Prior to the DNA bombs going off, Tim Shaw was a threat and his detonating the bombs made it clear he intended to kill. Once the bombs went off, though, he was incapacitated and therefore no longer a threat - therefore, violence was no longer justified against him. Tim Shaw wasn’t killing anyone anymore when he was kicked off that crane. Or so I interpreted it - but then, that happens to be my own moral code so it’s easy for me to read that into the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/164 "2018-10-23T11:24:15Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Are these goalposts an alien species? Because they sure seem to be moving, unlike normal ones. Only when you don’t look at them - they’re Weeping Goalposts. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/165 "2018-10-23T11:29:01Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > BTW, my fanwank is that, in-universe, it’s called a sonic screwdriver not because it works with sonic waves, but because it makes a certain noise when working and has the general form factor of a screwdriver. The technology that makes that noise is called “sonic.” Calling it a “screwdriver” is a bit like calling the pocket computers people have that send messages, play music, cruise the internet, answer questions, navigate, and so forth “phones”. Whether you call them “mobiles” or “cells” they aren’t really “telephones” anymore, even if they can still perform that function among the many, many other functions they have. So it’s probably a historical remnant - the Time Lords (or maybe just the Doctor) kept adding new functions to what was originally a sort of screwdriver. Just like we kept adding more functions to telephones. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/166 "2018-10-23T11:53:28Z")
Thirteen uses the sonic as a kind of tricorder, she has a little screen she analyses with some of its uses. Eleven did the same with his, though Matt Smith improvised that as the model screwdriver he has doesn’t contain a screen. All other Doctors just used it as an unlocking tool, though for a very loose interpretation of “unlock”. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/167 "2018-10-23T11:55:05Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Didn’t Alabama have anti-miscegenation laws at the time? Right, it did, which is why there were no people of mixed race… oh wait. But seriously, those laws seemed to only apply to getting _married_, there was certainly plenty of cross-racial intercourse (voluntary and not) going on for centuries. > [@](#): > > I took the show’s Mr Parks to be a light-skinned “colored” man. In real life, Raymond Parks had visible “colored” features. ^ This. In real life Mr. Parks was a light-skinned man of mixed descent who, in that era, was still put in the “black” category. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/168 "2018-10-23T11:56:37Z")
> [@ryobserver](#): > > Speaking of River–the Doctor identifies Krasko as an ex-con because he has a “Stormcage identifier” on his wrist. But River also did time in the Stormcage and has no such mark that I recall, not even in the episodes that show her escaping from Stormcage. Did they change ID policies at some point? Or maybe it was a sort of prison gang tattoo that was trendy in Krasko’s century of origin? Or century of incarceration? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/169 "2018-10-23T12:19:30Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Or maybe it was a sort of prison gang tattoo that was trendy in Krasko’s century of origin? Or century of incarceration? Also, IIRC River wasn’t exactly a typical prisoner. Didn’t the prison know that she was actually innocent? Hmm. Now I’m pondering the comic potential of River running into the current Doctor. Might be worth a one-off just for that. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/170 "2018-10-23T12:31:16Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > All other Doctors just used it as an unlocking tool, though for a very loose interpretation of “unlock”. “It could open any door in the universe, except when it couldn’t.” --Tom Baker ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/171 "2018-10-23T14:17:16Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Calling it a “screwdriver” is a bit like calling the pocket computers people have that send messages, play music, cruise the internet, answer questions, navigate, and so forth “phones”. Whether you call them “mobiles” or “cells” they aren’t really “telephones” anymore, even if they can still perform that function among the many, many other functions they have. > > So it’s probably a historical remnant - the Time Lords (or maybe just the Doctor) kept adding new functions to what was originally a sort of screwdriver. Just like we kept adding more functions to telephones. My memory may be faulty, but the one thing I cannot recall ever seeing the Doctor do with the sonic screwdriver, is drive a screw. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Also, IIRC River wasn’t exactly a typical prisoner. Didn’t the prison know that she was actually innocent? > > Hmm. Now I’m pondering the comic potential of River running into the current Doctor. Might be worth a one-off just for that. Alex Kingston has said that she wants to return for at least one episode with Thirteen. She’s also noted that River has had several husbands, and at least one wife. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/172 "2018-10-23T23:48:51Z")
I would enjoy an episode with Kate Stewart (the Brigadier’s daughter) and Thirteen. I like an _occasional_ return of a prior character episode. The trick is not to overdo them. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/173 "2018-10-24T00:22:18Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > My memory may be faulty, but the one thing I cannot recall ever seeing the Doctor do with the sonic screwdriver, is drive a screw. I remember one episode of Classic Who where we saw a screw unscrewing itself, but I don’t recall which. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/174 "2018-10-24T00:35:25Z")
[One of the lost episodes](https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Y8YsHXhOnc). ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/175 "2018-10-24T00:45:11Z")
“Who looks at a screwdriver and thinks, ‘Ooh, this could be a little more sonic’?” -Captain Jack Harkness ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/176 "2018-10-24T03:18:53Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I would enjoy an episode with Kate Stewart (the Brigadier’s daughter) and Thirteen. > > I like an _occasional_ return of a prior character episode. The trick is not to overdo them. Yeah that would be a funny episode Jodie, guns bad mmkaY Kate, five rounds rapid and sorted ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/177 "2018-10-24T05:05:41Z")
Next weeks preview seems very, very familiar. I’d swear that exact scene was done by Tennant or maybe Matt Smith. The Doctor dropping off a new assistant and obviously will be lonely. Even the dinner offer seems familiar. It was the end of one of the Christmas episodes. > **[The Restorative Power of Tea Is Proven in This New Doctor Who Clip](https://gizmodo.com/the-restorative-power-of-tea-is-proven-in-this-new-doct-1829934628/amp)** > > Tea time: so good it can momentarily cure the aching melancholy of a thousand-year-old wanderer in the fourth dimension. Fact. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/178 "2018-10-24T06:55:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Hmm. Now I’m pondering the comic potential of River running into the current Doctor. Might be worth a one-off just for that. Gods, no. I’d be happy never seeing River Song again. She was insufferable. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/179 "2018-10-24T11:40:47Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Gods, no. I’d be happy never seeing River Song again. She was insufferable. She had her moments, but that character wore thin with overuse. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620/180 "2018-10-24T15:45:06Z")
River Song’s best moments were the two episodes where she first appeared and the Christmas special that was her last appearance. The parts in-between… meh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-season-season-11/822620.md?page=10)