# Doctor Who Series 7 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 27, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859 "2012-08-27T21:04:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/61 "2012-09-02T19:31:32Z")
You know, it seems to me that there has to be some planet out there with the kind of advanced technology that could restore Amy’s ovaries to full baby-making capacity. If only she had access to some kind of, I don’t know, spaceship so she could go there. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/62 "2012-09-02T19:34:38Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > … (Though I think Moffat missed a chance: a Dalek is more likely to fear and imprison a good Dalek, not one that was more evil.)… Fear yes. Imprison, no. Those they’d kill right off. They were not killed because their hatred was too beautiful to destroy. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/63 "2012-09-02T20:01:34Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > You know, it seems to me that there has to be some planet out there with the kind of advanced technology that could restore Amy’s ovaries to full baby-making capacity. If only she had access to some kind of, I don’t know, spaceship so she could go there. Or, worst case scenario, a lab that can take samples of Rory and Amy’s DNA, mix it up in a cocktail shaker, and pour a nice babytini into chilled cocktail womb. …that metaphor kinda got away from me at the end, there. My point stands. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/64 "2012-09-02T20:06:52Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Then you adopt or at least talk about adopting. Mrs. and Mr. Pond really need to work on their communication. :smack: > [@grude](#): > > Because couples NEVER suffer from basic communication problems, totally unrealistic.😉 > [@Morgyn](#): > > No arguments on that. A theme I really hate to see anywhere is one person in a couple making a decision that affects both, for the other’s “own good”, but not talking with the other about it. Having done the infertile couple dance in real life, it’s never so simple as just “adopt”. The issue can put enormous strain on a relationship, people get _highly_ emotional over it, and no, loving couples don’t always communicate well. The bungling of the issue by Amy and Rory is actually one of the more realistic bits in this episode. It’s not _just_ about biological reproduction - after all River Song is their biological child. It’s about _raising_ a child, which they never got to do with River. A couple wanting to adopt can’t simply go down to the “Adoption Shop” and pick up a baby, there is extensive screening for such couples. Remember than Amy spent a lot of childhood in the care of the “mental health system”? How many adoption agencies are going to hand over a baby to a woman with a long history of mental illness and delusions? Oh, double-whammy - not only can’t she have biological children, maybe she’s considered unfit to be an adoptive mother? In which case she’s the problem twice over and her choice to let Rory go (as she see it - he thought she kicked him out) really is the only way he’s going to be able to have _and raise_ children? > [@Snooooopy](#): > > You know, it seems to me that there has to be some planet out there with the kind of advanced technology that could restore Amy’s ovaries to full baby-making capacity. If only she had access to some kind of, I don’t know, spaceship so she could go there. Well, yeah, if the Doctor actually _knows_ about the situation, but they’ve just been getting phone messages, not actually talking to him. Well, that one time he barged into the bedroom, but half-awake and a little ticked about the privacy violation is probably not a time the Ponds will spontaneously mention their marital difficulties. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/65 "2012-09-02T20:12:15Z")
So who put the chains on some of the Daleks? Other Daleks? Why would they care if a Dalek is locked up on a locked down planet? And why would anyone think chains could actually contain a Dalek anyway? Also, why didn’t the Doctor take the girl with him when he left? Because she’s a Dalek? What difference did that make? And who destroyed the planet at the end? The Daleks on the spaceship? Wasn’t the entire point that Daleks couldn’t destroy other Daleks because they respected each other’s hatred? Inquiring minds wanna know. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/66 "2012-09-02T20:45:39Z")
The girl dalek had to be there to drop the protection field, after which the daleks in orbit nuked the place. She was making a deliberate sacrifice to allow the others to go free. Yes, they did omit discussing the possibility of getting her to the transporter before she dropped the field so that she could possibly port out, too. She offered the sacrifice and they said, “You’re awesome! Thanks!” ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/67 "2012-09-02T20:58:34Z")
But that can’t be right. The Doctor specifically went after her to take her out and then for some reason changed his mind after seeing she was a Dalek. If anything, it would be easier to get her out because she was doing it all in her head, so she could have turned the field off right next to the transporter. ---
**Author:** ![Lilacs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Lilacs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilacs)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/68 "2012-09-02T21:00:55Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > You know, it seems to me that there has to be some planet out there with the kind of advanced technology that could restore Amy’s ovaries to full baby-making capacity. If only she had access to some kind of, I don’t know, spaceship so she could go there. Maybe another Amy/Rory baby will implode the universe. Given that they’ve tried to establish that Amy is super duper timey-wimey special. :dubious: I actually liked this episode. Given that my default position is to hate any Dalek episode, I was happily surprised. I love the idea that the Daleks have no clue who the Doctor is now. It tickled me. Now if Moffat has someone (especially the Doctor) continually saying “Doctor Who” I will not like it at all, but I’ll give him this one. I am very curious to see if Souffle Girl is actually the new companion, or another “My cousin died at Canary Wharf” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/69 "2012-09-02T21:14:22Z")
Yeah, this ep had some plot holes. For seven series the Doctor is “The Oncoming Storm” (which is an awesome nickname) to the Daleks, and all the sudden he’s “The Predator”? And as soon as he mentioned a “small task force of Daleks” that could sneak onto the planet, I saw what was coming. Also, where the hell did the TARDIS come from? If they beamed from the asylum to the TARDIS, then shouldn’t we have heard the TARDIS landing in the parliment? (And since when do Daleks have a Parliment and Prime Minister, anyway?) I agree with a poster above: the Daleks suck as villians. I could just be pulling this out of my touchus, but Rory’s slo-mo wheel and slide escape from the room full of Daleks seemed to be a nod to his new status in the fanbase as a badass. The way he held his flashlight and spun around made him look like a Jedi with a lightsaber. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/70 "2012-09-02T22:06:51Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > But that can’t be right. The Doctor specifically went after her to take her out and then for some reason changed his mind after seeing she was a Dalek. If anything, it would be easier to get her out because she was doing it all in her head, so she could have turned the field off right next to the transporter. I think that the early comment about Them sneaking in during the night, together with the slide between eggs and exterminate, it’s supposed to be assumed that it’s too dangerous to remove her from the asylum. She hadn’t become a full dalek yet, but the danger was still there. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/71 "2012-09-02T22:49:43Z")
I wonder if the nanogen exposure might miraculously restore Amy’s fertility, like the nanogens in _The Doctor Dances_? StG ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/72 "2012-09-02T23:04:39Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Since when do the Daleks “convert” other species into them, like the Borg or something. I thought they were space nazis obsessed with genetic purity, remember how the Dalek leader in the 10th Doctor run was considered so out there for making a desperate attempt to use human DNA it inspired a coup? Well, historically “the help” was considered not entirely Human, er, Dalek. You need someone to do the dirty work and if they are out of town by sundown it’s okay. > [@DSeid](#): > > Fear yes. Imprison, no. Those they’d kill right off. They were not killed because their hatred was too beautiful to destroy. But a bit much to be living in the pepperpot next door, so off to Asylum they go, to be admired from afar. > [@StGermain](#): > > I wonder if the nanogen exposure might miraculously restore Amy’s fertility, like the nanogens in _The Doctor Dances_? Sadly, she probably won’t have enough time to find out, if Moffat isn’t lying. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/73 "2012-09-02T23:16:00Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Also, according to the closed captioning, what Oswin said was, “No sense of humour \*\*and \*\*that chin.” Hmm. That does make more sense… ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/74 "2012-09-02T23:17:21Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Sadly, she probably won’t have enough time to find out, if Moffat isn’t lying. Moffat isn’t going to kill her off, is he?? Because that would be mean. And Joss-like. StG ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/75 "2012-09-02T23:26:54Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Also, where the hell did the TARDIS come from? If they beamed from the asylum to the TARDIS, then shouldn’t we have heard the TARDIS landing in the parliment? The Tardis was there from the beginning – when the Doctor, Amy and Rory first arrived in the Parliament, there was the Tardis waiting for them. Presumably the the Daleks put it there after capturing the Doctor. The teleport had limited range, so it could only take them to the Dalek ship: but since that’s where the Tardis was, they had the option of materialising inside that. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/76 "2012-09-03T00:00:31Z")
> [@typoink](#): > > Or, worst case scenario, a lab that can take samples of Rory and Amy’s DNA, mix it up in a cocktail shaker, and pour a nice babytini into chilled cocktail womb. > > …that metaphor kinda got away from me at the end, there. My point stands. Howsabout a visit to Planet Doctor’s Daughter? They’ve got the machine right in the arrivals lounge. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/77 "2012-09-03T00:15:33Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > Howsabout a visit to Planet Doctor’s Daughter? They’ve got the machine right in the arrivals lounge. That thing’s designed to create a fill grown adult. I do believe that we’ll be getting a resolution to the fertility story for Amy and Rory though. ---
**Author:** ![tadtooornamental](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@tadtooornamental](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tadtooornamental)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/78 "2012-09-03T00:29:11Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > I wonder if the nanogen exposure might miraculously restore Amy’s fertility, like the nanogens in _The Doctor Dances_? > > StG Those were nanogenes. The little bits from the S7 premier were neurobots. Not the same thing. I have no idea what the difference is, but not the same. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/79 "2012-09-03T01:33:30Z")
I’ll second most of the complaints in this thread - it was a pretty good episode overall, but it had some pretty gaping plot holes, the Daleks are OOC (since when have they been afraid of anything? Isn’t fear a weakness?), and Amy and Rory’s marriage is something that should have been a multi-episode arc. I"m really hoping Oswyn isn’t going to be the new Companion- we’ve already had one “semi-hot geek girl who’s witty and smarter than the Doctor” companion out of Moffat. One thing that really took me out of the episode, though, was when “Harry” realized his body hadn’t been decaying because he died outside in the snow. Google “Everest bodies” - ice mummies look more like the corpses inside the escape pod than someone who could pass for “not a Dalek husk”. ---
**Author:** ![Monkey\_Chews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@Monkey\_Chews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkey_Chews)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/80 "2012-09-03T12:36:37Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Since when do the Daleks “convert” other species into them, like the Borg or something. Since the 6th Doctor story “Revelation Of The Daleks”, back in 1985, when Davros was converting humans into Daleks. And again in the 9th Doctor Story “The Parting Of The Ways”, where the Emperor rebuilt his army out of humans. And of course, in “Evolution Of The Daleks”. In general, neither party has ever been thrilled with the results. > [@typoink](#): > > I thought it was a weakly written episode. Too many non-twist twists (seriously, the Doctor doesn’t get that he’s the “predator?”) That wasn’t a “twist”, that was a conversation, and wrapped up in about 5 seconds flat. And it’s not the first time the Doctor hasn’t realised someone was talking about him. It’s almost a running gag. > [@](#): > > and absolutely no sense of danger. As a viewer, you know Amy, Rory, and the Doctor are getting out alive. Suspense has to come from outside consequences…if you trap them on a planet full of insane zombie Daleks, the worst case scenario is that a bunch of insane zombie Daleks die. Which is probably why they introduced the whole plotline of another human character that needed rescuing. (And they even gave it a twist.) > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Yeah, this ep had some plot holes. For seven series the Doctor is “The Oncoming Storm” (which is an awesome nickname) to the Daleks, and all the sudden he’s “The Predator”? He can encounter Daleks from all of time and space, throughout the entire universe, and it’s a “plot hole” when he’s got a second nickname from them? Hell, I’ve got 4 just from my sister, and I’ve only known her 35 years. (It’s actually a 3rd nickname. The Daleks have also been known to call him “Destroyer of Worlds”.) > [@](#): > > Also, where the hell did the TARDIS come from? If they beamed from the asylum to the TARDIS, then shouldn’t we have heard the TARDIS landing in the parliment? The Daleks brought it. Maybe they thought he’d need it - they did after all bring some companions for him as well - or maybe they wanted it for themselves. > [@](#): > > (And since when do Daleks have a Parliment and Prime Minister, anyway?) Since now. They’re different every time we meet them, and quite right, too. All of time and space. I did think it was odd that they were using a concept that seemed so democratic, but why not? It actually makes sense. They probably think that every Dalek is equally awesome. At least these ones do - they don’t want any Dalek killed, which we’ve never seen before. In fact the last time we saw them, in _Victory Of The Daleks_, the new multicoloured Daleks destroyed every one of the gold Daleks without so much as a by-your-leave. But that’s Daleks for you. Always changing their little mutant minds. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859.md?page=5)