# Doctor Who Series 7 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 27, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859 "2012-08-27T21:04:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/121 "2012-09-09T10:04:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > A Victorian gentleman explorer and game hunter, with antiquated ideas about gender roles, who enjoys a stiff drink, a big gun, and a grossly outmatched fight. > > Wait a minute… [didn’t I _create_ this character back in May?](http://www.scp-wiki.net/from-the-diaries-of-lord-blackwood) > > DAMMIT STEVEN MOFFAT STOP STEALING MY IDEAS. > > (Well, either that or he and I were drawing on the same archetype.) 🙂 [Allan Quatermain](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Quatermain) was created in the 1880s. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/122 "2012-09-09T10:12:25Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > [Allan Quatermain](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Quatermain) was created in the 1880s. I know that. 🙂 I just found myself watching the episode and thinking to myself “Wait a minute, I wrote this guy.” ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/123 "2012-09-09T11:14:37Z")
I felt that character was more a shout-out to The Mummy, which would tie in better with Nefertiri. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/124 "2012-09-09T12:05:40Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > But the Doctor _did_ kill Solomon. Bit jarring, I thought. That actually made me think of Eccleston letting Lady Cassandra dry out in “End of the World”, a bit that I’d just watched on one of those retrospectives that aired in August and I’d kept sitting on my DVR hard drive. The Doctor doesn’t like getting his own hands dirty with the violence, but when somebody’s really pissed him off, he doesn’t mind arranging their deaths. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/125 "2012-09-09T12:50:18Z")
> [@CorneaGenii](#): > > Can someone please help with a line that’s been bugging me from “Asylum of the Daleks”? > > Stuff spoilered, just in case… > > When the platform is raised and the Doctor tells them they are in the Parliament of the Daleks, > Amy asks “What do we do?” to which the Doctor replies “Make them remember you.”. Does that line ever get explained, or did I miss something crucial? It made no sense to me, because it didn’t seem to go anywhere… It has ben a ploy he’s used before: “Remember who you are messing with here. Are you sure you are villan enough?” Using his past reputation to bluff his way out. At the same time it was indeed a foreshadowing of the end in the context of the Doctor now officially being dead, no longer the inter-Galactic legend, in scope a near mythologic character across the universes … to the degree that even the Daleks will have no future memory of his existence and Solomon could find no record of him having ever existed or having value. (And why that would be I can’t deduce.) ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/126 "2012-09-09T13:08:23Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > It has ben a ploy he’s used before: “Remember who you are messing with here. Are you sure you are villan enough?” Using his past reputation to bluff his way out. At the same time it was indeed a foreshadowing of the end in the context of the Doctor now officially being dead, no longer the inter-Galactic legend, in scope a near mythologic character across the universes … to the degree that even the Daleks will have no future memory of his existence and Solomon could find no record of him having ever existed or having value. (And why that would be I can’t deduce.) I also thought about how Rose Tyler–I seem to recall (fuzzily) that her memory had some sort of special status among the Daleks because of her contact with the one back in Series 1. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/127 "2012-09-09T18:05:21Z")
I thought the episode was mostly a fun little romp, but it’s hard to picture the trail of dead Silurians that Solomon had airlocked without saying, “Damn … that’s a little dark, isn’t it?” I mean, I know that pirates aren’t supposed to be pleasant folks, but it might’ve fit the tone of the episode to have chosen a less grisly fate for the crew, like stranding them somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/128 "2012-09-09T18:30:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > On an unrelated note, the writer of this episode, Chris Chibnall, also wrote the Human Nature/Family of Blood two-parter, which could explain the return of the Vengeful Doctor. Paul Cornell wrote Human Nature. Still haven’t seen this yet - trying to download from iPlayer but it’s being really slow for some reason grrr :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/129 "2012-09-09T20:10:01Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > That actually made me think of Eccleston letting Lady Cassandra dry out in “End of the World”, a bit that I’d just watched on one of those retrospectives that aired in August and I’d kept sitting on my DVR hard drive. > > The Doctor doesn’t like getting his own hands dirty with the violence, but when somebody’s really pissed him off, he doesn’t mind arranging their deaths. He didn’t just “arrange” Solomon’s death. That was straight up cold-blooded murder. He targeted the missiles on Solomon’s ship _and then locked him inside_. Damn. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/130 "2012-09-09T20:17:57Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > He didn’t just “arrange” Solomon’s death. That was straight up cold-blooded murder. He targeted the missiles on Solomon’s ship _and then locked him inside_. Damn. [QUOTE=The Doctor] Good men don’t need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many. [/QUOTE] He’s always had a certain streak of ruthlessness to him, especially when he believes it serves justice. And considering what Solomon had done, there’s a good bit of justice involved in that. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/131 "2012-09-09T20:25:59Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > He’s always had a certain streak of ruthlessness to him, especially when he believes it serves justice. And considering what Solomon had done, there’s a good bit of justice involved in that. That’s true, but has he ever murdered someone before? That is, has he ever taken a direct, deliberate action to kill someone when it was completely avoidable? I mean not simply failing to save someone or killing someone to stop them from doing something, I mean something for which, were he tried under common law with the facts presented on screen in evidence, he would with certainty be found guilty of murder. Because that’s what happened here, no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/132 "2012-09-09T20:29:55Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > That’s true, but has he ever murdered someone before? That is, has he ever taken a direct, deliberate action to kill someone when it was completely avoidable? I mean not simply failing to save someone or killing someone to stop them from doing something, I mean something for which, were he tried under common law with the facts presented on screen in evidence, he would with certainty be found guilty of murder. Because that’s what happened here, no doubt. Hypnotizing the human race to kill any Silents they see for the rest of eternity? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/133 "2012-09-09T20:45:39Z")
Kicked a bad guy out of the TARDIS into the event horizon of a black hole? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/134 "2012-09-09T20:59:47Z")
In David Tennant’s premiere, he dropped the leader of the Sycorax off the wing of his spaceship. He drowned the newly hatched Racnoss by diverting the Themes in the Christmas episode that introduced Donna Noble. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/135 "2012-09-09T21:00:51Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Kicked a bad guy out of the TARDIS into the event horizon of a black hole? I thought Rose did that. Or are we think about different scenes? ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/136 "2012-09-09T21:06:32Z")
He killed a metric shedload of Racnoss babies in The Runaway Bride, committing genocide in the process. Doctor: I’ll take you and your babies to a new planet. Racnoss Empress: Get stuffed, ya skinny pillock. Doctor: Fair enough. Oh, by the way; I’m a Timelord. Racnoss Empress: Wait, what? Shit! Hang on a mo. Doctor: Too late. You had your one chance. [Floods room] Racnoss Empress: My babies! Doctor: Merry Christmas, kids. ETA: Beaten by Miller while recreating the scene. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/137 "2012-09-09T21:25:17Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I thought Rose did that. Or are we think about different scenes? I’m positive it was the Doctor. Martha was his companion; it was the two-parter featuring the Family of Blood. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/138 "2012-09-10T04:13:27Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Hypnotizing the human race to kill any Silents they see for the rest of eternity? I don’t think that was unnecessary, though. It was self-defense. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Kicked a bad guy out of the TARDIS into the event horizon of a black hole? I think it was said that the one kicked into the event horizon would fall forever, and it was implied that they would be alive the whole time. Brutal, yes. Murder, no. > [@Miller](#): > > In David Tennant’s premiere, he dropped the leader of the Sycorax off the wing of his spaceship. Again, self-defense. Arguably avoidable, but not without at least some risk, especially since the Sycorax had already cut off his hand. Definitely proportionate force in any common law jurisdiction. He couldn’t even be questioned for it in Florida. > [@](#): > > He drowned the newly hatched Racnoss by diverting the Themes in the Christmas episode that introduced Donna Noble. > [@Kal](#): > > He killed a metric shedload of Racnoss babies in The Runaway Bride, committing genocide in the process. > > Doctor: I’ll take you and your babies to a new planet. > > Racnoss Empress: Get stuffed, ya skinny pillock. > > Doctor: Fair enough. Oh, by the way; I’m a Timelord. > > Racnoss Empress: Wait, what? Shit! Hang on a mo. > > Doctor: Too late. You had your one chance. > > [Floods room] > > Racnoss Empress: My babies! > > Doctor: Merry Christmas, kids. > > ETA: Beaten by Miller while recreating the scene. This one, maybe. I’m not sure how avoidable it really was. Yes, the Racnoss Empress started begging for mercy, but once the babies were released, she’d have been pretty much unstoppable, and she’d already made it clear that she wouldn’t willingly accept the Doctor’s offer of peaceful relocation. Sure, she _said_ she’d changed her mind, but wouldn’t the Doctor have been risking Earth on her keeping her word? I don’t think you could get a jury to convict. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/139 "2012-09-10T11:06:22Z")
Solomon was an incorrigible pirate. I suppose killing him qualifies as defense of others. It may have been practical than taking him back to the ship, keeping him contained, then finding some place to incarcerate him, ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/140 "2012-09-10T14:21:47Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’m positive it was the Doctor. Martha was his companion; it was the two-parter featuring the Family of Blood. Oh right, I was think of the one where Rose kicked the Satan guy out of the spaceship into the black hole. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859.md?page=8)