# Doctor Who Series 7 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 27, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859 "2012-08-27T21:04:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/141 "2012-09-10T14:44:34Z")
> [@Slade](#): > > When the Dr & Amy were handling stage one’s “multi-tasking”, what was it Amy said to him that made him reply “promise - really promise”? I played it back three times on the DVR but I still couldn’t catch it - and the fact that that they stared at each other in silence for a moment afterwards suggested we were supposed to find it significant. I don’t remember the exact quote, but it goes beyond **GuanoLad** ’s quote posted earlier. Amy said something about the Doctor not coming around as often, the Doctor shrugged it off with a “been busy” or some such, then he goes on to say that Amy will “never see the end of me,” or something. Amy then counters with a “and you’ll never see the end of me either.” And that’s when the Doctor gives her the look and gets all serious, and we have the awkward pause of doom. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/142 "2012-09-10T15:08:18Z")
One interesting theory I read was that the Doctor has already seen Amy and Rory die (which makes it a fixed point in time), and now he’s going to back to visit them before it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/143 "2012-09-10T15:16:22Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > It has ben a ploy he’s used before: “Remember who you are messing with here. Are you sure you are villan enough?” Using his past reputation to bluff his way out. At the same time it was indeed a foreshadowing of the end in the context of the Doctor now officially being dead, no longer the inter-Galactic legend, in scope a near mythologic character across the universes … to the degree that even the Daleks will have no future memory of his existence and Solomon could find no record of him having ever existed or having value. (And why that would be I can’t deduce.) Indeed, the first Matt Smith episode involves him scaring off the Big Eyeball Aliens (I can’t be bothered to look up what they were called) by getting them to Google him, or whatever the alien equivalent is. And even earlier, in the Library as Tennant, he does the same. Moffat seems to be playing around with remembering and forgetting a lot, what with Amy remembering the Doctor back into existence and the Silents/Silence being an immediately forgotten enemy and so forth. I hope this is all leading up to something rather than just being narrative doodling on a theme. And on that note, did we ever find out why there was no record of a giant Cyberking stomping around Victorian London? It’s mentioned at the end of the episode in a throwaway line that no one later remembers this, and I don’t think this has yet been addressed (unless it happened in the pre-reboot universe or something). ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/144 "2012-09-10T15:30:01Z")
Was the medi-kit that Rory had future/alien technology? StG ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/145 "2012-09-10T15:33:09Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > Was the medi-kit that Rory had future/alien technology? > > StG Yeah, he said he picks up medical tech on their travels. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/146 "2012-09-10T17:03:44Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > I don’t remember the exact quote, but it goes beyond **GuanoLad** ’s quote posted earlier. Amy said something about the Doctor not coming around as often, the Doctor shrugged it off with a “been busy” or some such, then he goes on to say that A: Yeah, well I can’t settle. Every minute, I’m listening out for that stupid TARDIS sound. D: Right, so it’s my fault now, is it?! A: I can’t not wait for you. Even now. And they’re getting longer, The gaps between your visits. D: Are they? A: I think you’re weaning us off you. D: I’m not, I promise. Really promise. The others, they’re not you. But you and Rory, you have lives. Each other. I thought that’s what we agreed. A: I know. I just worry there’ll come a time when you never turn up, that something will have happened to you and I’ll still be waiting, never knowing. D: No! Come on, Pond. You’ll be there till the end of me. A: Or vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/147 "2012-09-10T18:41:30Z")
I disliked the premiere so much, I was really, really glad I liked “Dinosaurs.” It was on the silly and light side, of course, but it hung together fine, had some good laughs, and had no big plot holes or totally out-of-character behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/148 "2012-09-10T18:57:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And on that note, did we ever find out why there was no record of a giant Cyberking stomping around Victorian London? It’s mentioned at the end of the episode in a throwaway line that no one later remembers this, and I don’t think this has yet been addressed Yes, it has. The cracks in time from Amy and Eleven’s first arc. That was the whole point of it - things and people disappearing from history entirely. Including what should be major historical events like a full-scale Dalek invasion, or a giant Cyberman tromping through London. > [@DSeid](#): > > It has ben a ploy he’s used before: “Remember who you are messing with here. Are you sure you are villan enough?” Using his past reputation to bluff his way out. [This](http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7530/vlcsnap8664695.png) is what he looked like for several seconds between finishing his speech and the Dalek PM saying ‘save us’. That is not the face of a man who was expecting nothing to happen. He was genuinely surprised to be alive. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/149 "2012-09-10T21:06:03Z")
Silly. Silly is good. The Smith years haven’t seen enough silly. I like a bit of occasional silly. That was nice and refreshing. Now back to dark and gloomy. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/150 "2012-09-10T21:34:36Z")
I just started watching the Matt Smith episodes of Doctor Who but i had a question. What did they mean by “he loves museums, that’s how he keeps score”. It was repeated a couple times on the weeping angels episode. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/151 "2012-09-10T22:35:40Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Solomon was an incorrigible pirate. I suppose killing him qualifies as defense of others. It may have been practical than taking him back to the ship, keeping him contained, then finding some place to incarcerate him, Probably self-defense, too. They had to use Solomon’s ship to retarget the missiles, and they knew he had no mercy for (and quite a bit of vindictiveness against) anything he perceived as getting in his way. Taking him on-board while sending his ship off, even without the comedy robots, would be just ASKING to get spaced like he did the Silurians. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/152 "2012-09-10T22:36:42Z")
That was a romp. An excellent romp of an episode - it’s like the scriptwriter and showrunner had an idea and just ran with it: “Spaceship?” “Well, obviously” “Dinosaurs?” “Why not?” “Dinosaurs _on_ a spaceship?” “Let’s do this!” The 8-year-old me would have loved this episode beyond compare. I’d have been riding around on the back of a Triceratops for years. The much older me, well I recognise my younger self. What an excellent kids show this is. I fear there that will be tears before bedtime though (this is a guess): Amy will die in a few episodes time. She will die of old age in a time long ago ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/153 "2012-09-10T22:52:49Z")
Solomon was (kinda, sorta) given a chance to survive. The Doctor clearly stated that the missiles were homing in on that orb-ish thing that he left in Solomon’s ship. Had he any wits about him, it might have been possible to jettison it. Highlight of the episode for me was Nefertiti’s cleavage. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/154 "2012-09-11T00:28:11Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I just started watching the Matt Smith episodes of Doctor Who but i had a question. What did they mean by “he loves museums, that’s how he keeps score”. It was repeated a couple times on the weeping angels episode. The Doctor likes going to museums to see how much of history he was involved in. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/155 "2012-09-11T06:07:22Z")
out of interest why have they got fire and forget missiles all that way in the future? ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/156 "2012-09-11T11:20:20Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > out of interest why have they got fire and forget missiles all that way in the future? Because they provide time-locked conflict for the plot, obviously. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/157 "2012-09-11T13:36:38Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > out of interest why have they got fire and forget missiles all that way in the future? What’s wrong with that? Missiles intended to be used as weapons generally don’t have remote shutdown capability by design. It it can be shut down, your enemy might be able shut it down, so that capability isn’t present at all. ---
**Author:** ![Jennyrosity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@Jennyrosity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennyrosity)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/158 "2012-09-11T16:48:13Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > On an unrelated note, the writer of this episode, Chris Chibnall, also wrote the Human Nature/Family of Blood two-parter, which could explain the return of the Vengeful Doctor. That would also explain the Doctor referring to Rory and his dad as monkeys - that was a ninth doctor thing. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/159 "2012-09-11T17:38:47Z")
> [@Jennyrosity](#): > > That would also explain the Doctor referring to Rory and his dad as monkeys - that was a ninth doctor thing. In this context, that is actually a Silurian thing. The reptilian Silurians have referred to humans as “monkeys” in previous episodes. Hence the Doctor’s line–after the one about Rory and his dad–about Silurian humor. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859/160 "2012-09-11T17:49:54Z")
One thing that kind of bugs me about this episode: The Silurians detect the incoming dino-killing asteroid, and load up an ark ship to escape. Millions and millions of years later, Solomon finds the ship, boards it, slaughters the hibernating crew, and tries to redirect it’s course. But he can’t change direction, and the ship resets to it’s origin point, which is Earth, and when they get there, its 2367 and India tries to blow them up. So, when Solomon boarded the ship, it had traveled for millions of years. But it only took the ship (I’m guessing) a few weeks to travel back to Earth under its own power? How the hell does that work? Wouldn’t it take millions of years to get back? What happened? Why were they still so (relatively) close to where they started? Did the Silurians forget to start the engines before they went into cryosleep? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-7/632859.md?page=9)